UFO's aliens...what are they? Are they demons?????

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Are the various technological advanced alien races beings from another planet?

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  2. No

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  3. No.. I believe that most aliens are demons who are in rebellion against our Creator.

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  4. Perhaps some alien races are on our side... and want to see our Creator save this world.

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  1. WillReadmore

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    OK, so you've watched what the Skinwalker Ranch folks believe.

    But, have you looked to see if there are criticisms?

    Such as:
    "In 2023, ufologist Barry Greenwood, writing in the Journal of Scientific Exploration, criticized the $22 million research program led by James Lacatski. He emphasized the lack of any documentary evidence from the ranch after many decades of exploration and characterized Skinwalker as "always in the business of selling belief and hope".

    From WIKI.
     
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    Here are some more UFOs:
     
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    Whatever the case may be, the evidentiary material doesn't seem to hold up to the hype. Just reading all the one-star google reviews by visitors to the site seems to reveal this - eg, it's all "staged", it's a "cash grab", "nothing to see here", or "nothing paranormal", etc. One also said, "Just more ghost stories to steal sacred land. They aren't chasing ufos. They are doing pre tests for precious metal/ oil mining. Just more settler military dogs."


    If you want to have an eerie experience, hike around Superstition Mountain (near Phoenix, AZ) at night, all by yourself. It's free, fun and enchanting - and you might just have a 'paranormal' encounter.

    "I WILL NOT Go Into These Mountains ALONE" (The Story of The MOST HAUNTED Mountain Range in America)
     
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    I don't believe there's a concern about what other govts know about our capabilities regarding detection except where it involves conventional weaponry.

    With UFOs, I believe the concern has more to do with (1) maintaining the capitalist, top-down power structures domestically & internationally, and (2) the potential for acquiring off-world/alien technologies that could give various govts a military edge (ie, the development of superior aerial weapons delivery platforms).

    We're also talking about sightings & encounters by the public, including civilian & military pilots, that have nothing to do with revealing our 'detection' capabilities. This is about sightings & encounters that are publicly known, yet the truth of which is deliberately muddied by govt disinformation programs to keep the public guessing (and bickering).

    Of course, I can't speak of military encounters that haven't yet been revealed (and we can assume there have been hundreds, if not thousands of such incidents).
    No. the Navy tapes have not been debunked. Please provide what source(s) you're using so I can look at the arguments in it.

    It's best to listen to first-hand reports - namely the interviews of Navy pilot David Fravor.

    (part 1) https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=3L-XG1F_S7I
    (part 2) https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=QoTlMpXkQO8
    The issue of 'detection' would not be a concern here, but rather the ability to discern what is being detected on the radar screen.

    The Chinese spy/weather balloons were very large - about the size of three school buses - and their payload was about the size of a small plane. The balloons were thus easily spotted by the public, who were also able to take photos & videos of them. Radar is even more sensitive of course, but the issue then becomes one of discerning possible threats from non-threats.

    Radar can detect all of these objects, in addition to the occasional bird, some clouds and the many mylar party balloons that go whizzing into the sky each year. But monitoring every little airborne speck would create too much instrument noise, making it difficult to pick out actual threats. Because of this, the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD), a combined U.S.-Canada defense organization, uses algorithms to filter smaller objects out of radar readings. But the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration tries to keep track of large balloons that can reach the altitudes where commercial aircraft fly, at roughly 30,000 to 40,000 feet. This requires that entities such as NWS and universities register their balloons launches (although amateur enthusiasts do not always follow the same protocols). [...] Since the detection of the large surveillance balloon, the organization has been widening that filter to pick up signals such as those from the three balloons shot down this weekend. “Previously, they had things set up to filter out what they would describe as clutter on the radar,” West explains. “These newer ones are the result of a heightened sense of caution.… [They] modified the algorithm that they use to determine whether something is of interest or not, and so things that have been there all along are now popping up for the first time.”
    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-were-suddenly-spotting-spy-balloons/
    It's not a dead end if one considers the fact that what is being studied is potentially not of this world (ie, intelligent but not man-made). When the details of unexplained crop circles, for example, are studied without bias, what emerges is the fact that no human can reproduce them. The fakes are always easy to detect. And when hoaxers claim to have made a specific crop formation that has all the signs of not being man-made, they can never reproduce it when requested. Doug & Dave, for example, were asked to duplicate any of the mysterious formations, but never could.

    Anything that's made by an intelligent force, but is not man-made should be an exciting subject for any scientist who wishes to learn more about their world to want to pursue. Rather than being a dead end, it becomes a paradigm buster and opens up new, exciting paths for those willing to take that step.

    I view crop circles as a brilliant method for inter-dimensional ETs to announce their presence: They do so without forcing such a belief on those who aren't psychologically ready for it - while at the same time providing just enough evidence for those ready to accept the presence of ETs. Secondly, the crop formations are a phenomenon that no govt can hide, cover up, or suppress. It's open and accessible to everyone. The perfect way for an ET race to declare its presence.
    With that kind of technological advancement, why send out mechanical robots when you can go there yourself?

    I should mention though, that abduction reports seem to indicate that some of the so-called smaller 'greys' appear to be drone-like - as if they were cloned organic worker drones that are semi-autonomous, and carry out the work needed by their makers (the 'taller greys'). Abductees will sometimes see both the smaller and the taller ones during their experience. They report that the taller greys seem less cold and more caring, while the smaller greys are cold and impersonal.
     
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    It'a pity that in the age of 4K and HD cameras the UFO recordings are still blurred and shaky
     
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    This is the purpose behind the govt's disinformation campaign. They know something this huge, and involving so many people, cannot be kept airtight. Mixing up real whistleblowers with fake whistleblowers (paid agents), mixing real evidence with fake evidence, and secretly providing bogus 'insider' information (that can later be debunked) to serious researchers are a good way to confuse the public, as well as discredit those whom they deem a security threat. (Assassinations are also not off the table.)
     
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    Exactly.... billions and billions and billions of dollars are at stake......

    so the best of the best of film producers and even actors are hired to muddy the water!
     
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    The one at 4:28 was pretty clear - although I can't say if it's CGI or not. The Malaysian airline one I'm not convinced about.

    They should've included the Belgium UFO flap in the 1980s where the nation's Air Force willingly showed the public a recording of the F-16's HDD (Heads Down Display) radar return of the UFO it was chasing.

    But yes, I'd like to see videographers get close to/underneath these UFOs. They're often so far away. Perhaps that's the way ET wants it.
     
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    If there where aliens we'd know it.
     
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    No I haven't. I learned many years ago to think for myself. I accept the data and observations there in Utah. Drawing conclusions is the hard part, and the guys there don't draw many conclusions, they simply report and record their observations.
     
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    Some are and some are not. The photos gathered by the Argentinian Government include many perfectly in focus, including some in the infrared or UV range.
     
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    We do know it. The evidence is overwhelming.

    The govt just won't publicly admit they know it.
     
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    And Steven Greer M. D. gives a great reason......

    if the truth about UFO's and anti-gravity devices were common knowledge.......

    the internal combustion engine and BigOil would be in serious trouble!!!!!!!!!!


    Why Big Oil conquered the world



    and.....


     
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    In trouble indeed! Along with capitalism itself.
     
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    We'd surely had been taken over and/or killed. Remember the First Nations merely got extinguished though they are humans, too. Imagine someone which can reach other stars will have the ethics to let us ants live, or even cooperate with the interests of some ant queens? What do you know about extraterrestrial technology and ethics?
     
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    No........ THE UFO's are mostly demons....... and they FEAR JESUS..... who is know to near death experiencers as The Being of Light of near death experience fame!

    James 2 : 19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.


    But do not mis-underestimate the value of HOPE...... especially as members of the demonic hordes get hit with "arrows of Hope!"

    I want to start an online outreach to Satanists....







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    Can demons be given hope?

    1. No... the demons have zero hope!
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      Yes..... Elijah must "restore all things"
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    3. I am not sure but I will research this further.
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    Note : "the world's most famous Satanist" is a phrase where we need to define the word "world" because.......
    ChrisCranmer [the Demon Jock].... claimed to be in the British Royal Navy............ but his being able to do

    astral projection in the same league with The Ingo Swann and Uri Geller made it pretty obvious that he was much more than just your average navy guy. When you are from England.... the word "world" really means...... England!!!!!!
     
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    Ooups!
     
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    How do you know we haven't been taken over? If ETs have been on earth long before humans (which it looks like they have - and may even have created us), it would only stand to reason that humans have been under their influence/control forever. Look how history keeps repeating itself.

    Rumors have been swirling for decades that govts around the world have been, and are being manipulated by ET races - some with negative (self-serving) intentions, and some with benign, altruistic intentions.

    For example, some researchers believe our major religions are the creation of an ET race for the purpose of controlling & manipulating the masses. They say the Vatican is under the control of one of these ET races, which would explain the ancient Egyptian symbols (including the obelisk), the Pope's attire/headdress & staff, the rituals, the serpent motifs, and other esoteric/occultic artifacts displayed throughout Vatican city. We also see the Vatican's substantial wealth, its history of atrocities, its involvement/funding of colonialism throughout the world, and the many conspiracy theories concerning its involvement in wars. Anyone can clearly see the Vatican is not at all a pious religious organization, but rather an empire. Note that the same symbolism/artifacts found on the Vatican grounds can be seen in Washington DC and London, England. And it's not just our religions, but ETs are also behind our money & governing systems, our patriarchal & hierarchical systems, etc.

    Check out the late Jordan Maxwell on youtube. This brilliant man has a lot to say about all this (with an ET slant) - eg, the origins of our religions & myths, monetary system, governmental structures, medical system/industry, words/terminology & symbols, secret societies, Satanic rituals, ceremonies, etc. His lectures & interviews are always fascinating.

    There's also talk about ongoing tensions between ET races with competing agendas - and that the 'good' ETs are keeping the 'bad' ETs from assuming absolute control over the earth.

    Finally, I've also read about the possibility that the Gulf/Middle East wars is all about control of 'stargates' in that region of the world - and not about oil/control of resources (let alone a 'war on terror'), which are just cover stories. You can check out Lisa Renee HERE & HERE, and Kerry K HERE, among others who talk about this. They talk about the 'Negative Alien Agenda' and its impact on the global stage & socio-economic structures. Note the topics about the 'Archons', Nephilim, and the Annunaki.

    So you see, if humanity is under the strong influence or control of various ET races, then they're operating (insidiously or altruistically) in the background. They're not going to carry out an armed blitzkrieg on earth, nor land on the White House lawn.
     
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    Do you contribute to the National Enquirer?
    Were you a follower of Erich von Däniken?
     
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    It would seem that perhaps even Richard Dawkins Ph. D. was something of a fan of Erich von Daniken??!


    https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20141020-dawkins-what-are-aliens-like


     
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    A 'contributor'? Hah! I'm their EDITOR!

    Okay - I was just joking. But let's not be childish about this. We need to look at this from the perspective of an objective observer open to anything. I'm simply sharing some of the stuff that's out there & being talked about, and the possibilities since none of us know the truth of what's going on, nor what's been going on for millennia concerning our origins, ancient civilizations, and ET interactions.

    There's definitely some heavy duty secrecy going on, and some heavy duty occultic rituals & symbolism involved with secret societies and high levels of govt. Do we sign this off as just the 'Satanic' rituals & ceremonies of silly devil worshippers in power - or could they actually be ritualistic (energetic) homages & a show of loyalty on behalf of an ET 'overlord' (eg, a reptilian race, the 'Orions', the 'Archons', etc.) who in return promises them great fortune & great power over the 'masses of asses' and 'useless eaters' (as the elites like to call us).

    This would not be such a shock if one considers the ancient texts & reliefs, precisely engineered megalithic structures, as well as ancient stories, myths, legends - including that of indigenous cultures. These sources are saturated with reference that could easily be interpreted as involving ancient ETs - eg, their interactions with humans & progenitor of our species, their abilities/powers, their flying craft & technologies, their wars in the heavens, their knowledge of the stars/solar system/math/agriculture/metallurgy/medicine/engineering/etc., and so on. And from our modern, technological age, there is greater clarity as to what these sources are really referencing - ie, not gods, angels, demons, etc. but ETs and their ships & technologies.

    We should also take into account physical anthropological research that has yet been unable to determine with any certainty either the mechanism or ancestral origin of anatomically modern H. sapiens. How does the lineage of our human species make the rather sudden transition from H. erectus or H. neanderthalensis to Cro-magnon & anatomically modern H. sapiens? Does it not make sense that an ET race - rather than 'God' - could have created various strains of humans from early to modern by hybridizing their genetic makeup with early simians/primates that were native to earth until they created the perfect specimen for their needs? Were we created initially as a sort of 'slave/worker' species to serve the needs of an ET race, as Zecharia Sitchin believed according to his research & interpretation of ancient Sumerian cuneiform texts, reliefs & artifacts? Does it not make sense that this ET race was what the Old Testament referred to as the 'angry', 'wrathful', and 'jealous God' that people were to fear, obey and worship - as well as the ET race that sexually interacted with the females of their own creation which gave forth the demigods (half man, half ET), the lineages of which would be passed on through what we call the 'royal bloodlines' that comprise the ruling, old money elite trillionairs (not billionaires)? Would it not explain why these bloodlines consider themselves to be so special and superior to the rest of humanity - and behave accordingly with arrogance, a malignant sense of entitlement, and lack of empathy?

    Anyway, if you're not an insider with special knowledge, then it's best to keep your mind open.
     
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    So, if....

    Me, I think the Spaghetti Monster's fairytales are more convincing than Annuiaki stories. Again, what reason should a civilisation have to co-operate with ant queens. To rule us poor ants in our little hive?

    An ant hive is something funny or interesting. in the moment it hinders it gets destroyed, without asking the ant queen.
     
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    We're more than just a human animal. We're also spiritual beings, which gives us great potential. So one can only speculate on what ETs are doing - but they are here and have been here for at least many millennia, if not millions of years.

    I believe the answer to your question is multilayered, particularly so if there are multiple ET races involved in our affairs. The following are some possibilities:

    * It could involve our origins & historic/ancestral connection to ETs,
    * interest in our unique DNA/genetics & evolutionary potential,
    * interest in our spiritual evolution / progress,
    * a program by negative ETs to extract & exploit human souls to serve their interests on other planets or dimensions (some abductees have reported ETs have technology to 'transfer' souls from one body to another),
    * a concern with our development of nukes & expansion into space,
    * a concern with our abuse of the planet earth,
    * a concern for the fate of humans because of an impending natural cataclysm,
    * a parasitic siphoning of human collective emotional energy (through fear, suffering, conflict, war, etc.),
    * an ongoing grand ET-human hybridization program (perhaps to one day replace humans),
    * some ETs may be future humans returning to offer aid or curtail a catastrophe due to past choices (some abductees have reported meeting themselves as their future ET self, which makes the abduction a pre-birth planned event),
    * some govts made deals with a negative ET race for mutual benefit, but at the expense of the earth and/or earth's population.
     
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    Just over a year or nearly two years ago after I began to work in Receiving at a local

    building supply store I met J.. who was driving a delivery truck. J.. feels a responsibility to

    warn people who will listen to him, about aliens.... specifically Grey's!

    I didn't ask him specifically when his Near Abduction took place.. but it could well have been twenty years ago......

    or perhaps even more than that.... He was in a truck with his buddy..... Grey's approached his truck and knocked his

    friend unconscious with some sort of device............ then the Grey's talked to J..

    The Grey's told J.. that his wife would soon die....

    and she did.....

    they told J.. that his health wasn't exactly great either... and they also told him that because he was a blue collar worker

    that they did not need him for their experiments. They told him that they were in need of white collar workers, doctors, lawyers,
    elected political leaders and such.......

    and they DID NOT actually abduct Jim!!!!!

    I personally consider that this man is one of the most impressive near alien abductions that I have ever met.....

    due to his HUMILITY and what appears to be total honesty about his experience.

    What he says also fits perfectly with the near death experience accounts of former Atheist Brian Melvin.



    628 k views......
    Near Death Experience I Bryan Melvin Died and went from Hell to Heaven - Part two- Ep. 11

    I actually posted the following comment to this video:
    Brian Melvin's near death experience was in the summer of 1980.
     
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    Keeping an open mind doesn’t mean suspending logic and Critical analyses to embrace a fictional narrative, particularly of the type propagated by the conspiracy clack who prey on the low information audience, usually with not so hidden objectives of fame or profit like Erich and the those of ancient alien mythologists and wishful biases coupled with rampant uncritical confirmation bias magnified by ignorance.
     
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