UFO's aliens...what are they? Are they demons?????

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Are the various technological advanced alien races beings from another planet?

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  2. No

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  3. No.. I believe that most aliens are demons who are in rebellion against our Creator.

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  4. Perhaps some alien races are on our side... and want to see our Creator save this world.

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  1. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If you will listen to the first ten minutes of this lecture... you may well listen to him for half an hour or more.... and if you do......

    you will know that there some astonishingly well informed believers in extra -dimensional aliens and / or extra-terrestrial aliens!


     
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    More wishful thinking. For believers of alien visitors, try the following,
     
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    Presuming a theory is a 'fictional narrative' prior to carrying out personal research is not keeping an open mind. Mind you, some theories/ideas do seem far fetched, even to me - but the deeper one digs into this UFO/alien stuff, along with its connections to our species & design of human civilization (ancient to modern), it starts to get weirder and weirder. Hence, until the whole truth is revealed, I'm keeping an open mind.

    As far as the chance for fame/fortune, sure, some do get caught up in this if they make a name for themselves - even if they originally set out as enthusiastic & serious purveyors of the subject of UFOs/aliens. Certainly the more time one invests in this subject the more one will have to find a way to earn a living from it - unless one is already independently wealthy. Still, I don't see that UFO/aliens would be a subject that holds much promise of fame/fortune, so it's not likely to be one's choice to pursuit for one who has no interest in UFOs/aliens if all one is seeking is fame/fortune. There are those who neither set out to make a name for themselves, nor to engage in serious ufological research, but end up being given the opportunity for fame/fortune by their very connection to a ufological event/story when approached by researchers/journalists. Some of these people will embrace their newfound fame/fortune, while others shirk it. Others are just outright frauds from the start.

    But this is all irrelevant to the topic of ufology - although its a standard talking point & provides material for professional debunkers in their militant quest to discredit serious researchers & witnesses. The research, facts, and data presented by a researcher or witness are what matter - not how they may or may not benefit from it. Sewing confusion through disinformation is a highly effective means of stigmatizing a sensitive subject the govt wants to discredit, so cross referencing a wide spectrum of data is an important practice in this field - which also includes the background & psychological make-up of the individual presenting the material, particularly when stories lack adequate data (to weed out possible disinformation agents). That's all we can go on.

    Ultimately, the govt has access to the whole truth, and is not wanting to publicize it because the elites in power have too much to lose. I believe some race(s) of ETs have been urging our govt to disclose the truth - so to relent, the govt's been handing us small crumbs of disclosure (like the Navy footage). I believe in the very near future, when the time is right, the ETs will have to circumvent the govt and make themselves globally known - and along with their presence we'll also be provided the truth of our origins & history.
     
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    Interesting story from "J". Thanks for sharing.

    Melvin's NDE story is 2 hrs long, so I'll have to set aside some time to watch it - but will certainly watch it.
     
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    There is a quotation in the Brian Melvin NDE from extra-dimensional aliens about psychological research......

    that I think is a critical piece of the puzzle.


    I was given the name John Mack... so I should hear this when I can.....


    UFO: The Inside Story of the US Government's Search for Alien Life Here—and Out There

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    The most fascinating UFO encounter | Garry Nolan and Lex Fridman

     
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    Now here is something interesting that might come in handy for you one of these years.....

    when the name of Jesus is mentioned.... alien abductions STOP!!!!

    That is mentioned in the first few moments of this video.....



    Coffee Talk: Rabbit Hole Explained | Kevin Zadai

    That comment fits strangely well with the near death experience account of former Atheist Howard Storm......

    and with the NDE of Brian Melvin!!!! Brian Melvin repeated and repeated the name of Jesus throughout his tour of the hell - Purgatory realms..... during which he was terrified....

    https://near-death.com/howard-storm-nde/

    Here is part one of the video where he mentions that the name of Jesus will stop an alien abduction......




    https://www.bible.com/bible/114/JAS.2.NKJV

    18But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. 19You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!
     
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    Here is an interesting interview where they go into detail on how

    somebody saying the name of Jesus or Yeshua can stop an alien abduction......

    and other types of paranormal phenomena that is scary.





    Coffee Talk: It's Time To Start Asking Questions | Kevin Zadai


    https://www.bible.com/bible/114/JAS.2.NKJV

    If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
    18But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. 19You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!
     
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    Can demons or devils or

    evil aliens or Hungry Ghosts or other extra dimensional damaged creatures use

    parasites or other organic organisms to influence human behaviour.

    I just happened to find this video and I had no idea that I was going to

    bring up this idea... but I do think that this fits..........



    Kathleen McAuliffe This Is Your Brain on Parasites How Tiny Creatures Manipulate Our Behavior and



    On the plus side... cleansing our bodies from toxins and parasites can have an amazingly positive effect on our behaviour.

    On one level.....

    www.msm-info.com/

    for an introduction to this topic.
     
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    Yes. I've read of these accounts before, and indeed it's an intriguing element in the alien abduction saga.

    What I'd like to know about these accounts is whether the 'aliens' in question are actual ETs or, potentially, astral entities.

    If they're astral entities (eg, 'Dark Force Entities', disembodied spirits, etc.) posing as ETs, then they're likely hailing from the lower astral levels - and in this case, I can see how invoking the name of 'Jesus' or other high-vibration thought/image/belief could extricate the 'abductee' from these low-vibration levels. We need also to know if the abduction experience is actually a dream experience in a low-vibration astral level. Either way, whether a dream or not, it could be a lower-vibration astral experience.

    So the question remains: If the aliens in question are actual physical ETs conducting a real physical abduction, would they still be stoppable? Have there been any alleged abductees that believed the ETs were 'demons' that invoked the name of 'Jesus', but were unsuccessful in stopping the abudction? I don't know.

    Another question may be in order: If the ETs in question are inter-dimensional in origin, can their efforts be resisted or impacted in any way by a person's strong religious belief, since the ET is not native to the abductee's dimension, putting the ET at an energy disadvantage?

    We can observe how stigmatas tend to occur with very religious/devout people, and the wounds will occur in areas of the body that coincide with the pictures/paintings/statues in their church (eg, wounds on the hands vs wounds on the wrists corresponding to those depicted in the person's church).

    From The Astral Plane by Swami Panchadasi, where he discusses a unique type of astral 'entity', and which illustrates the power of our consciousness in constructing thought form entities within the astral realms:

    ARTIFICIAL ENTITIES
    In addition to the nonhuman entities which are perceived by astral vision, or on the Astral plane - including a number of varieties and classes other than those mentioned by me, and to which I purposely have omitted reference for reasons which will be recognized as valid by all true occultists - there are to be found on the Astral or on the earth plane by means of astral vision, a great class of entities, or semi-entities, which occultists know as "artificial entities". These artificial entities were not born in the natural manner, nor created by the ordinary creative forces of nature. They are the creations of the minds of men, and are really a highly concentrated class of thought- forms. They are not entities, in the strict sense of the term, having no life or vitality except that which they borrow from, or have been given by their creators. The student of occultism who has grasped the principle of the creation of thought-forms, will readily grasp the nature, power, and limitations of this class of dwellers in the Astral.

    The majority of these artificial entities, or thought- forms, are created unconsciously by persons who manifest strong desire-force, accompanied by definite mental pictures of that which they desire. But many have learned the art of creating them consciously, in an elementary form of magic, white or black. Much of the effect of thought- force, or mind-power, is due to the creation of these thought-forms. Strong wishes for good, as well as strong curses for evil, tend to manifest form and a semblance of vitality in the shape of these artificial entities. These entities, however, are under the law of thought-attraction, and go only where they are attracted. Moreover, they may be neutralized, and even destroyed, by positive thought properly directed in the way known to all advanced students along these lines.

    Another, and quite a large, class of these artificial Astral entities, consist of thought-forms of supernatural (!) beings, sent out by the strong mental pictures, oft repeated, of the persons creating them - the creator usually being unconscious of the result. For instance, a strongly religious mother, who prays for the protective influence of the angels around and about her children, and whose strong religious imagination pictures these heavenly visitors as sent by the side of the children, frequently actually creates thought-forms of such angel guardians around her children, who are given a degree of life and mind vibrations from the soul of the mother. In this way, such guardian angels, so created, serve to protect the children and warn them from evil and against temptation. Many a pious mother has accomplished more than she realized by her prayers and earnest desires. The early fathers of the churches, occidental and oriental; were aware of this fact, and consequently bade their followers to use this form of prayer and thought; though they did not explain the true underlying reason. Even after the mother has passed on to higher planes, her loving memory may serve to keep alive these thought-form entities, and thus serve to guard her loved ones.

    In a similar way, many "family ghosts" have been created and kept in being in the same way, by the constantly repeated tale and belief in their reality, on the part of generation after generation. In this class belong the celebrated historic ghosts who warn royal or noble families of approaching death or sorrow. The familiar family ghosts walking the walls of old castles on certain anniversaries, are usually found to belong to this class (though not always so).

    Many haunted houses are explained in this way, also the ghost may be "laid" by anyo ne familiar with the laws of thought-forms. It must be remembered that these artificial entities are of purely human creation, and obtain and their apparent and mind from the action of the thought- force of their creators. Repeated thought, and repeated belief, will serve to keep alive and to strengthen these entities otherwise they will disappear in time.

    Many supernatural visitors, saints, semi-divine beings, etc., of all religions have been formed in this way, and, in many cases, are kept In being by the faith of the devotees of the church, chapel, or shrine. In many temples in oriental countries, there have been created, and kept alive for many centuries, the thought-form entities of the minor gods and saints, endowed in thought with great power of response to prayer, offering, and ceremonies. Those accepting the belief in these powers, are brought into harmony with its vibrations, and are effected thereby, for good or evil.

    The power of the devils of savage races (some of whom practically are devil- worshippers, arise in the same way. Even in the early history of the western religions, we find many references to the appearance of the Devil, and of his evil work; witchcraft diabolical presences, etc., all of which were created thought- form entities of this kind. Many of the effects of sorcery, black- magic, etc., were produced in this way - the element of belief, of course, adding greatly to the effect. The Voodoo practices of Africa, and later, of Martinique; and the Kahuna practices of Hawaii, are based on these same principles. The effect of "charms," etc., depend on the same laws, including the effect of faith. Even certain forms of "spirits," so-called, of certain forms of spiritualistic seances arise from this principle, and have never been human beings, at all. An understanding of this principle will aid in the interpretation of many puzzling phases of psychic phenomena.
     
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    Good questions..... at the twenty eight minute mark in the near death experience of former Atheist Brian Melvin.......

    he recounts going through the Life Review..... then is told that there is an option to send him back......

    and then he is shown another level that I would term "hellish or purgatory"........

    At the twenty eight minute mark in this video Brian Melvin begins to say "Jesus Christ.....Jesus Christ.... Jesus Christ.... Jesus Christ......

    for the rest of his near death experience until he is resurrected and sent back to live out the rest of his life and to tell his story!

    I am listening to this again right now and it seems to me as if he is going up against some pretty seriously powerful extra - dimensional beings who

    are well informed about the psychological experiments that are being conducted on humans.

    He saw gargoyles without wings and ancient pagan dieties..... reptilian beings.....

    they seemed to want to tear him apart... and the name "Jesus Christ" kept all of them at bey until his near death experience was over. Brian Melvin believes that
    the name of Jesus Christ has power in hell.

    He even met "Lizard Breath" who said to him.... "I offered you half of my kingdom!"



    He Died, Went to Hell, Saw Hitler & What Comes Next Will Shock You!
     
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    On 'hellish' experiences during an NDE, I would refer you back to an earlier post of mine.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ment-levels-of-heaven.621975/#post-1075034080
     
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