UN experts condemn renewed violence and Israeli killings of Palestinians

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Should we be sending the Palestinians Weapons like in Ukraine

  1. Yes - it would be hypicrisy not to

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  2. No - We only support caucasian freedom fighters .. death to the Arabs

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  1. fmw

    fmw Well-Known Member

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    You should go back and read my disputing posts. I posted history. You posted pro Palestinian propaganda.
     
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    no surprise here. The left loves to profit off of war corpses.
     
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    No.

    Putin is seen by the left as a supporter of Trump and the far right. That's why the left is pro-Ukraine now. Let's not forget that the left didn't do anything when Russia took Crimea and other regions away from Ukraine during Obama's presidency.

    The very ironic part of it all is that the left is anti-Zionist today due to aggressive Russian propaganda in the '60, propaganda from the same ideological hellhole that shaped and twisted the minds of Putin and his supporters.
     
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    There is nothing backwards about East Jerusalem, Golan and the West Bank not being part of Israel.
    Just like the Donbas isn't part of Russia. They just occupy it.

    And it's warcrime for foreign civilians to settle in land that their country occupies.
    We all agreed to this, by signing the Geneva Convention.
    That makes all them Israeli "civilians" who do that a bunch of war criminals.
    Should we care if a war criminal gets targeted and uses it's children as collateral damage/human shield?
     
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    Calling GWB a left winger, for starting a war against Iraq over nothing? lol
     
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    huh?
    That Palestine exists is thanks to the world voting it into existence through majority. That's a fact.
    Only Jewish propaganda exists that disputes the existence of Palestine.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Didn say Golan was backwards nor that civilians settling is a war crime .. so why are you pretending otherwise. Do you have anything other than Strawman fallacy ?

    Israels intentional killing of civilians and children is one of war crimes .. and then you have crimes against humanity by Israel. The Settlements are illegal under international Law.
     
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    To note that we all agreed all them Israeli's living in occupied territory are illegal and are a war crime, isn't a strawman fallacy but a fact.

    And are Israeli Jewish civilians actually innocent, when about all of them supported that by joining the IDF to make that war crime happen?
    And are Israeli Jewish civilians actually innocent, when the fast majority have been voting in favor of making these war crimes for decades on end?
     
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    What ever .. I agree that Israel's stealing more land in the Occupied territories and settling Israeli Jews on these lands is illegal - a violation of international law. I agree that Israel has committed war crimes - crimes against humanity on many occasions throughout this long blood feud.
    I also agree that in general Israeli civilians are innocent and a large percentage of Israeli's voted against the extremists .. are out protesting in fact .. are against these continued war crimes ... a classic attached at the end.

    So we agree on mostly everything..

    Israeli pilots refuse to fly assassination missions
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/sep/25/israel
     
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    Israel does this, because a very fast Israeli Jewish civilians majority voted for this, en mass, very frequently for decades on end, while joined the IDF to physically get blood on their hands as well.
    The bulk of the Israeli Jewish population is therefor not innocent one bit.

    So what. They still play a roll in the machine by preforming other tasks so those assassination missions still follow through without any problem. You're entire completely in, or you're completely out. And in this case, they are still in and happy to be employed by an institution that commits war crimes.
     
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    What ever dude .. ya signed up for the army ... some of the guilt for killing folks is on your head .. which is fine ... but compltely irrelevant to the Israeli War Crimes in general.
     
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    Since almost every Israeli Jews joins the army, means that at one point in their life they are, or have been part of an organization that commits war crimes. You suddenly do not become innocent, when you retire. The guilt is still there. It's like hearing a person telling the judge/jury that indeed at one point he killed an other person but hasn't done it since it retired so that's "reason" enough to not go to jail over it since the crime has been washed away due to the retirement. As if!

    Being part of an organization who does that, but somehow you evaded it, also doesn't clear you. A person absent of a non war criminal task would have meant less war criminals doing war crimes. A person present for a non war criminal task would have meant more war criminals doing war crimes.

    In a similar way civilians who vote for political parties to preform war crimes in their name, got the blood on their hands too. They forged the government who does it all.
     
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    The poll above is purely utter ridiculous left wing created. Basically, the poll states, provide weapons to Palistineans or you are a white supremacist. That is something straight out of the Socialist playbook created by Hitler!

    There is alot more going on out there than what the Mass Media is sheeping people like this poll creator. There is Hypocrisy and hatred on both sides of the conflict, not just one sided crap sheep have been deluded to promote.
     
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    Hitler was a far right wing nationalists who hated left wing communists first, and Jews second.
    They were send into concentration camps in that order.
    And he wouldn't create a left wing playbook.

    Is it? Nobody made the Jews ethnically cleanse Israel of +700.000 Arabic Muslims, nobody is also making Jews cross their border into East Jerusalem, Golan and the West Bank to settle there. But they did, and their current Israeli government is going forth with it, as they have been at it since they started to be a country. Those are war crimes. And Israeli government is able to do it, because that's what the Israeli Jews voted to make those war crimes happen. Israeli Jews are massively joining the IDF to get those war crimes done. It is that simple.

    What is straight out of the Hitlers textbook is cracking down all those who object to war crimes, label them as terrorist and kill them without a care in the world who else dies with them.
     
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    Pure made up nonsense on your part .. Jew Baiting .. as soon as you see anything related to Israel you cry "Anti Semite" in this case the thinly veiled insult and Ad Hom Fallacy "White Supremacist" .. a reportable offence .. but not to worry - your secret is safe .. doing that projection thing again .. taring others with your ills .. perhaps hoping for some company for the Misery.

    Just like in the case of Mass Murder .. you running around accusing others of supporting/condoning mass murder when they had done no such thing .. but turned out that you were the one who harbored such..

    So what is the problem this time .. Racism of some sort .. perhaps against Arabs . or is it general xenophobia .. sans certain groups selected for you by the Red Club aka RINO society --- where everything Israel is super .. albeit full of "Hypocrisy and Hatred" and what have you provided other than spoon fed pablum from the RINO sheep society.. ?
     
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    Incorrect. "The world" doesn't get to "vote" on the sovreignty of nations. Sorry. Inicidentally, Palestine was a British protetorate until the UK turned it over to jews in 1945. The Palestinians should be angry at the UK, not Israel.
     
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    They did in 2012.
    138 countries voted in favor, 9 against, 41 abstained, 5 absent.
    With the boundaries of 1967, Jerusalem being a shared capital.

    Israel responded with authorizing 1000's of new houses to be build inside Palestine for Israeli Jews, and thieved 1 months of tax collected meant for Palestine.
     
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    A meaningless vote and a waste of time. Lots people want things they can't have. There is no Palestine. There hasn't been one since July of 1922. There was no thievery. I'm tired of this. See you around.
     
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    Wrong. Hitler was a National Socialist. The current Democrats are Mainly Socialist.

    The left and right can utilize whatever socialist propaganda rhetoric to control your population just like Hitler. Basically, the Poll above was something out of Hitlers Playbook regardless whatever you believe in. To claim "Give weapons to Palestinians or you are a White Supremacist." That is some straight up Nazi style bullcrap.

    Nobody told Iraq to ethnically clean out Kurdish people either. Nobody told Russia to wipe out any pro-Ukrainian people. Now, lets talk about Rwanda and who cleansed whom. Bosnia, etc.

    If the Palestinians wanted to work with Israeli's instead of constantly firing missiles at them, then I bet the Palestinians would own more land than they do. It takes two sides to work through issues. Both sides are complicit.

    And, Israel never did murder 700k muslims. 70 freaking years ago, they forced 700k muslims to move. The world has changed in 70 years.
     
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    Your babbling makes zero sense and really had nothing to do with what I posted.
     
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    My "babbling" ? You were the one going off on some anti semetic demonization trope .. "White Supremacist" name calling blubber..

    Now hopelessly unable defend your nonsense claims .. you cry out "Your Babbling Nonsense" - and deny what you said in Post 90

    " or you are a white supremacist. That is something straight out of the Socialist playbook created by Hitler!"

    I ain't making this up mate .. is all YOU .. now tell me who is the one "Babbling Nonsense" ?? .. position hopelessly lost ..
     
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    So, you think below is a valid poll when your only choices are Support Palestine or Death to Arabs.

    Especially, when a person can like arabs but still not want to give weapons to Palestinians which is not even an option.

    Thus, the Poll insininuates a two sided option. Give Palestinians weapons or death to Arabs which is pure hypocrisy because I do not support giving Palestinians weapons nor do I want Arabs to die. Hence, a poll which is completely moronic.

    Should we be sending the Palestinians Weapons like in Ukraine
    1. Yes - it would be hypicrisy not to
    2. No - We only support caucasian freedom fighters .. death to the Arabs
     
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    Well Mort .. most get the sarcasm in #2 but that has nothing to do with you running around crying Anti Semite.. still need to account and apologize for that inane and rude behavoir.

    The Poll is 100% valid .. and could have easily just said "are you a moron .... or not" as you infer .. just not in the way you infer . The reason for the sarcasm on the second answer .. is that there is no second answer .. for those who are not completely blind .. deaf and dumb .. but sure plays a mean pinball.

    Did you not find the inherent hypocrisy compelling ?
     
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    So much for your the world doesn't get to vote.
    And so there is such a thing as Palestine. People who say there isn't, got outvoted.
    Thievery happened on a massive scale. And these facts are going to be shoved down your throat. +700.000 Arabs lost their real estate in Israel and the Jews did this. They owe the Arabs billions from this theft.
    Have a nice day.
     
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    So that makes him a nazi. Nazi's are far right wing.


    Nonsense.
    Russians are invading Ukraine, and busy to make it part of Russia. And as you put it "wipe out any pro-Ukrainian people" It's just what Israel does to Palestine. Invading, and making it part of Israel, wiping out pro Palestinians.

    whataboutism

    It's rather simple. Jews ethnically cleansed Arabs on a large scale from day 1, and they are still at it with zero intent to stop. Any American would pick up arms against a hostile invading army into their lands out to ethnic cleanse them from their homes. The Palestinians are not any different.

    I wrote that Jews ethnically cleansed +700K Arabs.
    Forcing people to move = ethnic cleansing.
     
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