Unarmed woman is shot by Police in Capitol. The People Who Scream ‘Police Brutality’ Don’t Care.

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  1. FAW

    FAW Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I gave you THE EXACT QUOTE along with the link from NPR to the text of the entire speech....

    "The American people do not believe the corrupt, fake news anymore. They have ruined their reputation. But you know, it used to be that they'd argue with me. I'd fight. So I'd fight, they'd fight, I'd fight, they'd fight. Pop pop. You'd believe me, you'd believe them. Somebody comes out. You know, they had their point of view, I had my point of view, but you'd have an argument."
    https://www.npr.org/2021/02/10/966396848/read-trumps-jan-6-speech-a-key-part-of-impeachment-trial

    He is CLEARLY talking about the media, and he is CLEARLY talking in the past tense. READ IT!!! His use of the word "they" is beyond any shadow of a doubt referring to the media. His use of the contraction they'd means they would, i'd means I would etc; which inarguably makes it past tense as opposed to some command going forward which is the notion you are bogusly pushing. You are 100% misrepresenting those words. This is not a gray area in any manner.
     
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    Did I SAY that it was your post? It's VERY simple: You brought up Trump saying "pop pop!" And you connected it to VIOLENCE! :roflol:

    What about it? Do you think that Trump meant gunfire, or not?
     
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    It's according to my source and YOUR OWN source connects it to explosives.
    So you laughing at how supposedly "silly" it is to connect it to violence remains an unfounded dumb opinion.

    I'm not seeing any argument.
     
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    As ONE of the possible meanings!

    Either you think that Trump meant gunfire, or you do not. And it's VERY telling that you cannot state your position! :roflol:
     
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    Nope. All our meanings are about that, except one... since pop could also mean soda pop.
    But that would not make any sense in the context of fight this fight that.

    You're not making an argument what it means, despite we both sourced the meaning.
     
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    You're joking right LMFAO :)

    Urban Dictionary, I chose it because if pop-pop was gonna mean gunfire id be there :)

    My GOD some people will argue about ANYTHING :)
     
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    I posted numerous sources saying the same thing.
    Chris also took an aim at posting a source of his own.
    And to his own big surprise his source agrees with mine
    While you brought no source disputing it. Well well.
     
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    I don't know what Trump meant by it. Do you?

    Explosives are only used for violence? :roflol:
     
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    You endlessly keep on trolling questions on what pop means, while we both posted the definition.
    And so it remains:
    No buts. It was their plan. Donald's rally was even called "stop the steal".
    He used all kinds of words totally suggesting to be violent.
    He paid a person to make a similar speech.
    There you go.

    And you got no argument to counter it.
    Just a bunch of trolling questions.
     
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    According to your interpretation of his words! But the fact remains that he told them to be PEACEFUL!
     
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    Already noted that it's not my problem that he gave mixed signals. I do not care about that little second he wanted things to be peaceful, since he also supported his fascist fans to be violent AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN. The entire world saw how that played out.

    Add to it that Donald and his henchmen do everything to keep the lid on it.
    Add now that he wants to want to never mind the law by willing to give them all who got caught a pardon if he gets voted in.
    Add to that he admitted he demanded Pence to overturn the elections.
    Add to that he wanted to seize the votes in different ways.
    He simply went all in to get himself "elected" and this includes not just the peaceful way, but also the violent way.

    And you, Chris, are his champion on this topic.
     
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    Uh, when? On January 6?

    Keep the lid on what?

    Your assumption.
     
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    Then QUOTE him telling his fans to be violent "AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN!"

    This is not evidence of anything. I shall wait to see if the Trump White House records show anything which incriminates Trump. If they do, then I will call for Trump's prosecution just as passionately as you. Until then , Trump remains innocent of anything criminal until proven guilty. Simple!

    The only clear thing which he promoted in his speech was PEACE! That's a FACT!

    Well the majority of people in his crowd DID do what he asked and were peaceful, but unfortunately a section of them did exactly the opposite of what he asked and were violent.
     
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    How about you quote me that I claimed he said "AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN!"
    FYI I already gave you a link to his speech, and put in context his violent rhetoric that he told his fascist followers.

    Point stands he is covering it all up. I sourced it.
    While he suggested he is going to pardon those fascist buddies of him who backed him up if he gets the chance for it.

    You're lying. tss tss
    I already gave you a link to his speech, and put in context his violent rhetoric that he told his fascist followers.

    Not relevant, when +700 people are convicted/about to be convicted for the violence Donald promoted... while they estimated 2,000 to 2,500 took part in that fascist orgy of violence.
    https://www.npr.org/2022/01/06/1070...tion-cases-defendants-justice?t=1644488927221
     
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    Then QUOTE him telling his fans to be violent AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN! You said "again" three times, so what are the three quotes?

    He covered WHAT up? What are you claiming that he covered up?

    Trump is an idiot for saying that.

    Nope:

    "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard." https://apnews.com/article/election...-siege-media-e79eb5164613d6718e9f4502eb471f27

    You didn't give the FULL TRANSCRIPT. I have: https://apnews.com/article/election...-siege-media-e79eb5164613d6718e9f4502eb471f27

    From your source: "But the department estimates that between 2,000 and 2,500 people entered the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021..." It says that they "entered the Capitol." It does NOT say that they took part in "violence" as you claimed. The point stands that the VAST majority of people in Trump's speech crowd were peaceful, just as Trump requested!
     
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    I already quoted him in post 1966.

    I already sourced it.


    He mentions peacefully ones at the start, and than mentions "fight" or "fighting" 21 times, and adds pop pop.
    He paid a dude to motivate them to have a "trial by combat" and with that,... he most deffo motivated his fascist to attack the Capitol.
    With that he motivated his fascist to attack the Capitol.

    Ah cute. The entire world saw massive of people beating the cops to gain access and here you are trolling around as if it was done peacefully.

    Donald motivated his fascist to commit the biggest assault on the Capitol since 1814.
     
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    Your source says nothing about a cover up: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/19/sup...white-house-records-from-jan-6-committee.html

    "Fight" and "fighting" is standard political language. You don't have a problem when any of the politicians YOU LIKE use such language! :roflol:

    You claimed that 2,000 to 2,500 took part in violence. You're wrong, and I proved it. And how did I prove it? Once again I used your own source! :roflol:

    You're deflecting. The point stands that the VAST majority of people in Trump's speech crowd were peaceful, just as Trump requested!
     
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    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ty’-don’t-care.583573/page-82#post-1073257400
     
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    Anybody can see exceptionally clearly Donald does everything to find out what he did / didn't do on jan 6th, and goes to the supreme court for it. I sourced that he did.
    That falls within the definition of a cover up.
    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cover-up

    not in the context of pop pop and a trial by combat. :roflol:

    I sourced that I am right. :roflol:

    I sourced how many fascists of Donald took part in the assault on the Capitol, and put that in a historic perspective, showing it was utterly massive.
    That is not deflecting. You're just whitewashing it.
     
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    It could simply be that he just wants to make it difficult for the Democrats to investigate January 6 and so he will do anything
    that he can to frustrate their efforts just out of spite. You're assuming that there was something that he was trying to cover up.

    You're assuming what he meant by "pop, pop!" And Trump didn't say "trial by combat." That came after Trump's speech.

    You did NOT source that 2,000 to 2,500 took part in violence! The source that you provided doesn't support that ridiculous claim! :roflol:

    You did not source how many took part in the ASSAULT! The point stands that the VAST majority of people in Trump's speech crowd were peaceful, just as Trump requested!
     
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    What he did fits the definition of a coverup as I posted. And so I'm free to claim he tried to cover it up.

    Since we both gave the definition of pop pop, it means we're not assuming a thing. It fits the violent context of fight, as what his fascists did.
    And he paid the guy to say to go have a trial by combat. That too fits the same context.

    I did in post 2041. There was no peaceful way those people got access to the Capitol. You're free to prove your point they gained entry in a peaceful way.
     
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    What crime are you claiming that Trump covered up?

    Yes, you are absolutely free to make utterly baseless claims. Nobody is stopping you from doing that.

    You agreed that it can simply mean a loud noise.

    You have no evidence that Trump SPECIFICALLY paid his lawyer to say that.

    I never claimed that the violent MINORITY gained entry in a peaceful way! My point is simply that the VAST majority of people in Trump's SPEECH crowd were peaceful, just as Trump requested! These people are the ones who did NOT violently break into the Capitol building! There was more than one crowd on that most eventful day!
     
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    a crime is not needed to fit the definition of a coverup.

    I sourced what he did, I sourced it fits the definition of a coverup.
    So it's not baseless, but a founded opinion.

    Nope. I sourced it has to do with gunfire, with 4 sources! You sourced it's about a light explosive sound.... and I agree gunfire is a light explosive sound.
    It fits the context of fighting, and a trial by combat.... as what Donalds fascists did.

    Giuliani doesn't work for free. And his words fits the violent context of Donald's speech.
    You're free to present prove of the opposite. So far you haven't but suggest I must debunk your point.
    That's not how it works.

    My point stands: Trump unleashed the BIGGEST assault on democracy since centuries in the US by motivating with his speech his 2000 to 25000 violent fascists to attack the Capitol to undo the elections into his advantage. You stand noted that you're down talking the assault by whining around it wasn't that big.
     
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