United States Food and Drug Administration approves sale of abortion pill at retail pharmacies

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  1. Bowerbird

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    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-04/united-states-fda-abortion-pill-access/101827706

    Mifepristone/Misoprostol is safe especially in early pregnancy which is where it is used. This will actually reduce the incidence of later abortions as this can be managed at home. However the cost may still be a factor driving women to delay abortion.

    Will it lead to “abortion instead of contraception”? Doubt it, though personally I would fund LARCs to ensure accessibility - which in and of itself would drastically reduce the abortion rate. The other consideration that would prevent this being used as contraception is the greater cost plus it hurts!

    https://www.nps.org.au/news/mifepri...ostol-gy-miso-for-terminating-early-pregnancy
     
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    Another take on this issue

     
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    Maybe they should also sell special pills if someone wants to knock-off an unwanted spouse and doesn't want to go through a messy divorce.
    Or maybe they should sell date-rape pills by the side of the checkout counter.
     
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    Are you suggesting that en should have freer access to date rape?
     
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    But some women will be using these pills to try to knock off babies much later in pregnancy, after it is no longer legal to do so.

    And let's remember that not all the women who end up ingesting these pills will be choosing to do so, or knowingly doing so.
    Plenty of men out there who do not want the female they are with to be pregnant.
     
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    I'm suggesting that just because something can be helpful, or very useful, does not mean we should make it automatically available, without a prescription, without the guidance of a doctor, or someone designated to oversee its usage.

    Do you support the availability of over-the-counter suicide pills too?
     
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    Maybe they could make a special pill for termination in the fourth trimester?
     
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    Well, it will lead to the empowerment of boyfriends, and put the "choice" in their hands.
     
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    Those trapped in a mediaeval state can have the medicine sent by mail. This should mitigate against the unnecessary and cruel (late) abortion exodus that many young women face (should they be unable to obtain contraceptives in the state)
     
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    Agreed. “Medical” abortion as the combination pills are called is revolutionising the abortion industry with more and more women essentially self managing at home with some Telehealth supervision for extra safety.

    This will encourage early stage abortions which a vast majority of people do not oppose, whilst allowing women to manage “birth spacing”. The majority of women having abortions already have at least one child

    https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/73710/RHR_policybrief_birthspacing_eng.pdf
     
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    WHAT THE ????????

    a) it doesn’t work that way
    B) why would anyone…….. shakes head
    C) it doesn’t work that way
    D) why do you think women have late term abortions…….. hint it is not so they can fit into a bikini
    E) it doesn’t work that way

    As for men “slipping women an abortion pill……..well, have I not read over and over the gripes about “men not having a choice in pregnancy”? Having said that it is still HER body
     
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    Why?

    a) no such thing
    B) no such thing
    C) no such thing
     
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    Really? Still HER a body so…….. how would this be different to rape?
     
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    LOL, WHOSE CHOICE should it be ????

    Anti-Choicers want it in the hands of POLITICIANS !!!!!!
     
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    So YOU don't like women's CHOICE being taken away....can't you make up your mind ??
     
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    The statist authoritarians are coming after an American's privacy, her personal communications, her mail, and the sanctity of her home and her body.

    Their fanatical ideologues’ big, intrusive government agenda targets everyone, even Americans in advanced states that thought themselves free and safe from the autocrats that fester elsewhere.

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    The ‘rogue’ Trump-appointed judge with abortion pill’s future in his hands
    Alliance for Hippocratic Medicine v US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is the next frontier in the war against abortion in the US. In it, a set of ideologically driven conservative Christian groups is inviting Kacsmaryk to impose a nationwide injunction that would in effect ban the abortion pill by nullifying the FDA’s medical approval of one of its key elements, mifepristone.

    Should Trump’s judge side with the plaintiffs, as many reproductive rights experts suspect he will, the abortion pill ban would apply across the country. Unlike Dobbs, the US supreme court’s ruling last June that eviscerated the constitutional right to an abortion and returned legal control over terminations to individual state legislatures, Kacsmaryk’s injunction would render medication abortions unlawful in every state in the union.

    The stakes are high: the abortion pill now accounts for more than half of all pregnancy terminations in the US.

    “A decision to ban mifepristone nationwide would be devastating,” said Shaina Goodman, director for reproductive health and rights at the National Partnership for Women & Families. “This is a very deliberate, coordinated strategy by the anti-abortion movement to attack abortion every which way they can, and they’ve found in Kacsmaryk a judge who has a track record of making decisions based not on law or evidence, but on partisan ideology.”

    Mifepristone received FDA approval 22 years ago, and in that time has proved itself to be resoundingly safe and effective. In its response to the call for a ban, the FDA cites a study of more than 30,000 American women undergoing pregnancy terminations before nine weeks of gestation which found that the efficacy of the abortion pill was 99.6%.

    Despite such an overwhelming scientific scorecard, the conservative plaintiffs claim that a ban would “protect the health, safety and welfare of all Americans by rejecting or limiting the use of dangerous drugs”.

    [https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...ortion-pill-s-future-in-his-hands/ar-AA17kvne]

    An America where one can amass a ballistic arsenal in the nursery but is not allowed an approved drug in the medical cabinet is an outlandish perversion.


     
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    :applause::applause::applause:

    This will hurt the GOP but more importantly it is going to kill women. Any woman who is having a “threatened or partial miscarriage” now has hugely limited options for care
     
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    Authoritarians' fanatical need to inflict their ideological dogma is not diminished by their lack of expertise in medicine, education, climatology, epidemiology, private enterprise, journalism, etc., etc., etc. Knowledge is irrelevant to them, even in matters of life and death.

    Their pretense that a microscopic, mindless amalgam of cells is a person, an homunculus, was discredited centuries ago.
     
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    Spot on! The most prolific abortionist is “God”. Between 50 and 70% of fertilised eggs fail to implant. 10-20% miscarry naturally and that number could be higher as many miscarriages occur so early that it can be mistaken for a “late period”
     
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    A woman's inherent right to control her body, and make decisions in consultation with trusted medical and spiritual advisers that are familiar with her and her personal circumstances is, obviously, superior to subjecting her to the impersonal dictates of bureaucrats aiding and abetting ideological fanatics.
     
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    One would think that the anti-abortionists who (allegedly) are all about "sTopPinG tHe mUrdErOus acT oF aBoRtiOn" would be for the abortion-pill, would you not?

    You would think that the same bunch who (allegedly) only want "tO sToP lAtE teRm AbOrTioNs" would support the morning-after-pill, would you not?

    You would think that the anti-abortionists who (allegedly) only want to "pRotEct tHe unBorn" would be for birth control,. would you not?

    But, nope. These people are absolutly disgraceful and truly pathetic. It becomes more and more clear by every story, every argument and every thread they post on this board that what they are actually against is women enjoying sex for the joy of it.

    If it is not that it is just "muh CulTuRe wAr" and to think that a country like America has people with that mindset writing the laws is very scary to say the least.
     
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    We need to ban you Mikey, the Christofascist spineless Trump enabler who's stupid enough to actually believe you have a future in American politics.


    'Mike Pence Says 'We Need to' Ban Abortion Pills Nationwide in New Leaked Audio'


    Source: msn.com
    Story by Susan Rinkunas • Yesterday 1:40 PM

    "Someone at the event asked Pence about medication abortion.

    Here’s the conversation:

    Man: Are you thinking about what to do about abortion pills? Would you like to ban those?

    Pence: To me, it’s...I’m pro-life, and I think that’s a real issue and it’s really dangerous. Really dangerous.

    Man: I think you can ban them though, don’t you think?

    Pence: Uh you can, and we need to. We need to. My daughter’s written a lot about it, she writes for The Daily Wire.

    Man: Oh she does?

    Pence: Look up Charlotte Pence Bond, she’s done a lot of really important writing on that topic.

    Medication abortion is extremely safe and made up more than half of all abortions done in medical settings in 2020. But a recent lawsuit could lead to a judge revoking the FDA’s approval of mifepristone, the first of two drugs used in medication abortion. (Mifepristone is also used as a treatment for miscarriages.) The plaintiffs argue that the FDA was wrong to approve mifepristone back in September 2000, but only filed the suit in November after the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade."


    Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...sedgntp&cvid=bff9954c38ff4b5b9c27a814bdd57fae
     
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