UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot outside Hilton hotel in Midtown in targeted attack

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  1. Alwayssa

    Alwayssa Well-Known Member

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    The kid was not close to a billionaire. His parents ran a nonprofit worth about $48 million or so. He was privledged, yes, but not a billionaire. His problem was not politics, it was mental health. He was depressed, the insurance that he was claiming probably denied him the medical treatment he needed. He was angry and took it out on the CEO of the company. that explains what he did, but not excuse what he did. When homicide charges are drawn up, then I would expect nothing less than 1st degree homicide.
     
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    Yes he was and kinda like the 9/11 hijackers were. In both cases, we cannot assume that poor desperate people from the "other side of the tracks" are the ones who will do such a thing nor can we assume any politics into the event on this instance with the CEO either.
     
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    If you look at the data, United Healthcare has the highest rate of claim denials among the industry,. All of the health insurance companies do this, even Medicare does this because all use the AI algorithm to make the decision on whether it is approved or not approved. this includes certain medications and treatments. I can even give you examples of homeowners insurance where claims were denied or worse, low balled. They have their tricks from auto claims to homeowner claims to health insurance claims. But to get what you deserve, you need to sue, and that costs money, time, etc. I even know of an example a while ago where a young girl, a USC, needed a lung transplant to save her life. The insurance company denied the pre-authorization for that procedure. By the time it was approved, the little girl died. Imagine if that was your little girl and you had to go through that? Would you be angry too to the point of committing homicide?

    Note, I am not arguing that health insurance or the health care industry should be Medicare for all or a single payer system. The same problems will exist even in that environment, but the insurance companies have way too much power and very little accountability,. I want more accountability for the insurance industry in all areas, not just healthcare.
     
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    Yes, this would be absurd.


    But it is a sad fact. 168 lives per day, as I read in some news, to screw up the profits to 18 Billions in 2024.
     
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    Sadly, I think the perception is more important than reality.
     
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    There must have been a reason for an Ivy Leaguer like Luigi Mangione for killing United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson.
     
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    Sometimes the reason is the voices in their heads told them to. Since the kid is extremely well-off, it’s not a financial reason.
     
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    They're middlemen. They don't save ****.
     
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    They don't provide healthcare. They make money by charging premiums and then fighting as hard as possible to not put that money toward the healthcare of the people that need it. The CEO is ultimately responsible for the policies applied by the employees when they deny payment or authorization for treatments. They absolutely profit from the suffering and death of their customers.
     
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    Do you subscribe to any conspiracy theory:
     
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    Thats a ridiculous attempt at deflection.

    To think that for a second that these healthcare companies care about you, your health, or even your well-being is hysterical. These companies have been torturing and killing people for years now. Thats not a hyperbolic statement, its a fact! Denial of care, and even delaying care, causes pain and suffering at a level you will never understand until you live it. My wife has RA, and Sjogrens and her medicines are always "delayed" because the insurance company wont fill it until an "approval" or another DR visit for another validating test, or any myriad of reasons. My wife literally has to fight them EVERY MONTH just to get the meds she needs to live her life. I cant remember a time when she didn't have to fight to get her meds because of the insurance, NOT THE DOCTOR, but the insurance. And we have TRIED preemptively getting the DR to fight for it, it never seems to get approved on time. So until you have to stay up all night comforting someone you love very much, watching them cry because the pain is too much, and not sleeping for 2-3 days because they cant because the a pain is too much, then you can claim some higher ground. But as it stands today, I dont condone what this man did by killing the CEO, but i will say that I understand where that hate comes from.

    I had a friend tell me that he thought this might make a change and that just MAYBE, the insurance companies might change, and I literally laughed out loud. The great irony is that this CEO being killed wont change a thing, because that companies profits are even more important then their own guys life. He doesn't matter, just as much as any of the other patients they kill so they can make more money to to increase their stock price.
     
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    They provide the money for healthcare. Without such people wouldnt be able to afford it.

    Are there issues? Sure. But it is a far more complicated issue than simply saying something ignorant like they profit from death.
     
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    Do they make more or less money when they deny patients financial authorization for life saving treatments? Reading stories like this one make it clear that they profit from suffering and death: https://www.propublica.org/article/unitedhealth-healthcare-insurance-denial-ulcerative-colitis.
     
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    If they didnt exist in our current system no one would have any medical treatments at all. Again, to say they profit from death is a gross over simplification.
     
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    The issue will persist, but on a significantly lower scale. Currently, the government appears to prioritize Medicare and Medicaid recipients while neglecting the needs of the majority of the population, particularly the middle class. If the ban on Medicare were lifted, elected officials might become more attentive to the healthcare needs of their constituents. Right now Insurance companies, medical cartel and big pharma can do whatever they want, because they are private entities, and people have no legal way to fight them.
     
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    We can only partially blame them, they do, they profit from the system of unsafe health care, established by American people.
    There seems to be a lack of complaints regarding unconstitutional policies that prohibit individuals from accessing government resources based on their age.
     
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    Well stated !

    I think we are in the beginning stages of a correction. Im not sure it will succeed, but there is a backlash starting to appear. Im not sure how it will develop, but the masses are starting to see that the system is rigged, and they are the ones paying the price.

    Now with that said, the one correction that WILL take place if we keep on this path, is that there wont be anyone able to buy anything when the billionaire class takes too much. Ive been sayin this for a long time now, that when you starve the wallets of the masses, there isnt anyone to buy your products. The path we are on is not sustainable.

    Just like in the late 20's, the market crashed because there weren't enough people to keep the markets alive. When you concentrate too much wealth in the hands of too few, in a market economy, when the demand side is strangled and cant afford your products anymore, the game is over. We are close here right now. Jeff Besos is driving that crash......
     
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    Would you contribute to his defense fund:
     
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    Government will print more money to extend the agony.
     
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    LOL then they don't kill anyone either. Oh the irony.
     
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    Ohh look another word salad by grape. Carry on saying things that ofcourse I never said but hope you feel better posting your manifesto.
     
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    At the price of inflation.......were already almost there now and its only getting worse by the day.

    But since the rich own to political class, they will continue to have unabridged access to change the rules of the game in their favor
     
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    Your surrender is accepted.....
     
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    Healthcare, regardless of which is chosen for our or any country is a complicated issue. Far more than people acknowledge. It isn't at all rational to simplify it as they just profit from death. And to sympathize in any way with this cold murder is just evil.
     
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    There is absolutely nothing complicated in health care system. The government already manages 80% of health care claims, there will be no additional cost to manage remaining 20%.

    I cannot endorse either the perpetrator or his supporters, as the ineffective and corrupt healthcare system in place has been sanctioned and approved by the American public. Instead of glorifying the assailant, there should condemnation of his actions, and then people should come out and demand to lift the restrictions on Medicare.
     
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