UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot outside Hilton hotel in Midtown in targeted attack

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  1. kreo

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    I think it should be at least 30% less, because government will have to allocate more resources on the health care. Currently, government only cares about seniors and poor people, throwing middle class under the bus. If ban on Medicare is lifted then representatives and president are going to be directly responsible for health care.
     
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    Nope, it is actually quite opposite, Medicare recipients fiercely oppose any changes due to fear of the potential reductions in their benefits.
    Since many of the voters are seniors they firmly resist any changes.

    Also, many individuals have been brainwashed to perceive the government as inherently negative; however, for some reason they place their trust in governmental institutions regarding military matters and financial management.
    For instance, it is widely acknowledged that government bonds carry less risk compared to corporate bonds.
     
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    They're coming around. People are realizing both parties are completely failing them. I think Americans are done with being fooled by oligarchic and corporate interests.
     
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    I'm not following your logic. Higher demand equals lower prices?
     
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    The demand should be approximately the same, but people will have greater leverage in negotiations with healthcare providers.
    At present, individuals, who are prohibited from participating in Medicare and Medicaid have no means to engage in any kind of serious interactions with hospitals, doctors and pharma manufacturers.
     
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    That is why the people elected Trump and the #MAGA movement, they want change from a corrupt system.
     
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    So they elected one of the most corrupt people on the planet?
     
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    No, they elected Trump. Don't you owe $$$ for an insurance claim?
     
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    OK this doesn't make sense. People are not "prohibited from participating in Medicare and Medicaid" they are not eligible for it. I think what you are assuming is that if there were a "Medicare for all" type system, then somehow people would be able to engage with hospitals and doctors in a way they can't when getting care from private insurance. I've not noticed that people on Medicare have any greater degree of freedom in that regard, and I especially don't see that for people with Medicaid.

    You don't seem to have any basis for your beliefs other than they are beliefs.
     
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    Huh? No, you have grossly misunderstood my personal situation. It’s also 100% irrelevant to the topic of electing yet another corrupt politician to run the country. Super.
     
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    You grossly misunderstand Trump and the people who elected him.
     
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    I’ve been watching him bloviate since the 80s. I know who he is.
     
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    Ok. lol
     
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    I totally agree. I hope Trump delivers real change this time around, and doesn't just try to set up his billionaire buddies while he is a lame duck president who isn't worried about re-election. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now, but I'll be the first calling him out on his bullshit if he isn't acting in the interest of making life better for all Americans and destroying corruption.
     
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    I hope he can finally beat the system and deliver real results. Like you, I hope for the best and hope the country overall wins.
     
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    Don’t get me wrong, I actively hope for a successful presidency, no matter who is in the office. I cheer for America; not party nor person.
     
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    Medicare far better then regular private insurance. While it's true that some claims may be denied by Medicare, there hasn't been significant public outcry regarding that issue. When the government provides public services, it must treat all individuals fairly and without discrimination, adhering to due process. There's simply no valid reason for denying Medicare access to those under 65, so it is a ban. Since Medicare is a public program people can influence Medicare (the government) via their representatives in U.S. Congress.
     
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    Aren't you a little bit curious as to why that is?
     
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    Google search says.

    The average denial rate for Medicare inpatient claims is 6.8%, and the average denial rate for outpatient claims is 1.6%. However, denial rates can vary significantly across healthcare providers and payers.

    vs commercial
    https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/1h77jfp/oc_us_health_insurance_claim_denial_rates/

    The Medicare is much better, especially assuming that all their patients are seniors i.e. least healthy people.
     
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    But if I understand your thesis, denial means death, so Medicare is killing some percentage of it's patients. Is there an acceptable level of healthcare murder your willing to deal with?
     
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    Yes, even Obomacare is something medieval. In 2024 there are other possibilities like single payer universal healthcare.
     
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    While discussing this murder, and painting the murderer in a favorable light, a host on the View appears to have ratted out her husband for insurance fraud.

    Did Sunny Hostin Rat Out Her Husband on The View? “On the December 11 show, The View discussed the Left’s sexual fascination with back-shooting coward Luigi Mangione, who assassinated United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson and had recently been captured. The hosts debated whether Mangione deserved any sympathy, and that’s when Hostin decided to add in her two cents. Or rather, her physician husband’s two cents, so to speak.”

    'Doctors that want to do good like my husband, you know, operates on someone even though they don't have insurance and then has to sue health insurance companies to get paid for the work that he's been trained his whole life to do.'

    That made folks shake their heads. It sounds like he performs surgery on people he knows do not have insurance and then fraudulently sues companies to force them to cover the claims of folks they don't insure.

    Well, health insurance attorneys came to the same conclusion.

    'Six days after that episode aired, but only revealed yesterday, Dr. Emmanuel Hostin got named in a $450 million RICO lawsuit, one of almost 200 defendants facing allegations of insurance fraud:'
     
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    She is a garbage human, and will suffer appropriately.

    The lefts love of this murderer is gross
     
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    Not unlike the glee we saw when Hamas raped and murdered all those young Jewish girls.
     
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