US Citizen Killed In Ukraine During Russian Attack

You start out labeling my post qanon .. then in the next sentence you agree with the Historical Fact posted .. followed by strawman fallacy .. claiming some made up false nonsense about not focusing on Putin's present - when its you who is ignoring past precedent related to Putin's present.

"Dispite our Sins" you say- followed by irrelevant gibberish not related to topic. .. Look .. is simple historical facts .. Putin is a small bit offender compared to the US .. the world leader in atrocity and support for terror.

I simply point out the hypocrisy of this "Do as I Say - not as I do" foreign policy .. been warning for years that this is trouble and interestingly .. no one went ballistic and most agreed - but now .. with Ukraine .. when I point out the obvious saying "Look Told ya" the response is OHHHH OHHHH - you evil Putin Lover in a maniacle state of incontinence

If you give a surface to air missiles to Islamist Extremists -- and later one of them uses the "manpad" to take out civilian airliner .. and I say "Told you that you should not have done that" .. I am not apologizing for the Islamist Extremist .. merely stating that this may not have happened to begin with .. if you didn't have a policy of giving manpads to Islamist Extremists.

 

Usually its because the school or hospital is being used as a makeshift defensive fortification, having some sort of weaponry mounted in or on it or being used to conceal and elevate the firing positions of troops. Both types of buildings tend be very well built and are particularly attractive for use in urban warfare.

 

Well, there is zero evidence that was the case.

 

More accurately, we havn't been provided with evidence that was the case. But why would we be?

The first casualty of war is always the truth.

 

I don't know about the particular case you seem to be referring to above, but there's definitely evidence that Ukrainian forces have utilized schools. Here's just one example:

14 Ukrainian soldier were killed in a school , remember the soldiers on the gym? : N_N_N (reddit.com)

Why would those evil Russians bomb a school? Well, in that case, it's because the school was sheltering enemy soldiers.

You're not naïve enough to believe that was the only time Ukrainian soldiers ever took up positions inside a school, are you?

 

The UN? Biden won't even let Poland provide aircraft to Ukraine so don't expect him to let NATO get more aggressive unless we're just talking putting more troops in NATO countries.

 

And we have arm chair generals saying providing aircraft to Ukraine wouldn't do much to help. Well it couldn't hurt either and it would help with morale. We're giving them Russia helicopters.

 

Any singular nation that imposes a No Fly zone is committing an act of war. If the UNSC or even NATO agrees to impose a no fly zone, then act of war cannot be viewed. That is why the no fly zones of Iraq after the 1992 invasion of Kuiwait and the 1998 to 1999 of the Balkin crisis were not acts of war. A no fly zone in my opinion would be problematic. Personally, directly attacking the Russian forces is the only way if we do that at all.

 

Which is why I said give them the aircraft they are asking for and let them set up a no fly zone. Besides Russia would just VETO any vote to setup a no fly zone. The UN is a joke!

 

I meant NATO. But I agree, it's a really tough call. It's a little hard to believe that the Russians would choke like it seems they are. There seems to be something deceptive about it, like they threw inexperienced and inept troops and sub-par equipment at it at first, maybe to save the more experienced troops and best equipment for something else. Or maybe they expected it to be a quagmire, so why expend the good stuff.
NATO does need to tread lightly, but if they do something it needs to be decisive.

 

Imposing a no-fly zone over Ukraine is not the same as imposing one over the US. Imposing one over Mexico after we invaded it would be...

 

More cost effective - and easier to pass off as defensive only - to give them NATO member Slovakia's S-300's. Let Russian Mig's dodge Russian SAM's.

 

Sorry. But these aren’t the Palestinians using human shields. Don’t equate this to those terrorists. Putin is just desperate now and will kill anyone at this point. Nobody is off limits. Shows what an animal he is.

 

Give them both. Ukrainian pilots can easily fly them from Western Europe into Ukraine.

 

I find it rather amusing to hear so many talking heads claim Putin's plan was to take Kyiv in a matter of days, then admit they have no idea what Putin is thinking. I think you're right that Putin is using inexperienced soldiers and old military equipment to soften Ukraine and as we have seen he continues to scale up the invasion with more missile strikes. He has a military of 750,000 strong so what is 10k, 20k or more to him? He sees people as tools to meet his end goal.

 

yeah, Trump would have been defending Putin and praising him

saying Ukraine deserved it for not doing his bidding

 

Do you realize Ukraine isn't a member of NATO??

 

If we had asked them to do so? I would think we would be quite grateful, even though back in reality we can do that ourselves. The Ukrainians can't. And since it's THEIR airspace they want us/someone/ANYONE to shut down, I would expect they, too, would be quite grateful if someone (like say, the United States Air Force), actually did it. I endorse that idea fully, but I'm a completely nobody typing into an internet forum, so my endorsement doesn't count for sh*t.

 

I know. It was another poster who argued Ukrainians use civilians as human shields.

What do you mean 'would'. He IS praising Putin.

 

You call intentionally blowing up a theater/museum with a bomb shelter with as many as 1,300 children (who are still missing and status unknown), with the word "Children" in russian in letters more than high enough for a pilot to see them "being careful"??? You call intentionally blowing up a maternity hospital as "being careful"?? How about apartment buildings, schools, coffee shops, and other things that have been blowed up by your boy?

Or the southern cities, where we don't have any press to speak of, and they look like post-WWII pics we've all seen of carpet-bombed cities, it that being careful?

 

That was written prior to that incident but matters not .. bad stuff no doubt .. but compared to the USA.. the number of people killed and atrocity in general by Russia "thus far" is a mere rounding error .. extremely careful by relative comparison.

Putin is not my boy .. I don't condone any of this atrocity .. like you do .. desperately trying to paint your failings onto others. Putin is a lightweight compared to your boy Biden .. War Crimes - Crimes against humanity up the yang. Genocide, rape, daily executions, forced marriage .. the freaky stuff .. none of which the Russian troops have engaged in.

Yup .. "Intentional" .. When the other side sets up beside a hospital and fires at you .. You fire back.. that's how it goes in War. Its how we do it .. its how they do it .. just that we do it far more often.

Since you claim concern for Children .. Rotten Ronnie was a real charmer .. Children dragged over barbed wire fence - "Till Flesh hung from their bones" - in front of their parents .. That will teach them aye mate... kind of sick stuff you support .."Your Boys" ..

Hopefully you enjoyed the educational part of the program

 

What is even more sad is how many Americans believe every word their government utters through the rotten mainstream media.

 

The msm is rotten. Fox and NewsMax are not MSM and are giving solid efforts in covering the war. Fox has lost two journalists killed by Russian forces and another severely injured.

 

As I argued years ago, those civilian casualty numbers in Iraq are super inflated. ALL of the civilian casualties were attributed to US forces. But we know that wasn't the case. We know that a significant amount of IED's killed civilians instead of the intended American targets. We know the enemy strapped bombs on kids. We know that AQ and other terrorists intentionally killed civilians that helped NATO forces (including the guy that did my dry cleaning), or turned out to vote.

The agencies that counted those numbers never account for any of the above. And because they don't, i categorize them as A) antiwar activists who want to boost the tally in order to shame (the noble lie), or B) foreign entities that do so in order to shame America internationally so that they have a false moral equivalence concerning their violence.

Show me some photos of Iraq that look like Mariupal, or Kharkiv. Maybe you can come up with some particularly devastating images. I didn't see the whole country, at all times, but I was there twice, and I saw nothing like the intentional devastation we are seeing in Ukraine.

 

I'll agree to giving them Migs if anyone out there can answer what our response will be if Putin cruise missiles the airfields they depart from. It seems to me we could either A) throw some cruise missiles back, maybe they throw a lot more back to us, and very quickly we are lobbing nukes at each other, or B) we sit there looking weak with burning airfields.