US Citizen Killed In Ukraine During Russian Attack

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  1. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Estimates range from 150,000 at the low end to over 1 million .. Somewhere in the middle . call it 500,000 doesn't matter .. something like 1000 civilians killed in Ukraine last time I checked .. call it 2,000 for good measure .. let me know when we get to 100,000 .. and we be half way there.

    Whats laughable .. is that with 4400 US soldiers Killed .. and 31,000 wounded .. you don't think we took a few bad guys with us in the process of earning those stripes ..

    Your claims of damage less than Ukraine is laughable -- a few before and after Iraq war Pics .. https://www.slideshare.net/weblover/iraq-before-and-after-war

    and hey ..lets not forget Raqqa ..
    Raqqa in ruins: Mile after mile of devastated streets and bombed out tower blocks - the aerial images that show how ISIS 'caliphate capital' has been reduced to rubble

    One the "After" pics https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5005501/Shocking-photos-city-Raqqa.html

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    Has any convoys of military hardware been hit before leaving NATO countries?
     
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    Like I said, those numbers have no credibility if they don't account for the civilians killed by AQ and other terrorists through suicide blasts, IED's, and the gunning down and beheadings of those assisting the US or voting.

    And those photos don't show entire cities in rubble like we see in Mariupal, except maybe the Raqqa one which was after my time there. If that's how we took out Baghdadi then I disagree with it. But then again, we know Baghdadi himself killed a few women on his way out. What percentage of other ISIS fighters did the same?
     
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    No but it's risky. Putin doesn't get rewarded that much for taking out a couple of trucks. But the risk to him is great. His reward of striking an airfield with fighters is more certain, and he might think it worth the risk.

    I'm starting to lean toward giving them Migs if Putin keeps this carnage up, especially if he uses WMDs. But I wouldn't depart any aircraft we give the Ukranians from European soil. I would set up a massive tanker presence like we had for Operations Northern and Southern Watch, and depart them from carriers off the west coasts of Greece, Croatia, and Norway. And even then, only if the Pentagon was confident in protecting our carriers from cruise or hypersonic missile strikes, of which Intel on our, or their capabilities, I don't possess.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What this now "ISIS-Al Qaeda" .aka "The Islamic State" in Syria Did you now know that this was our Proxy army. Fighting against the the people of Syria .. trying to turn Syria in to a Strict Sharia Vunderland like Brother El Saud and partner in crime.. Used these guys in Yemen as well .. earning Obama-Biden a "Complicity in War Crimes" medal.

    Thought a Global Citizen would know that ..
     
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    I wouldn't have agreed to using them. And I will always oppose any leader who chose to. The same as I oppose using Nazis in Ukraine. But despite that, a new, more destructive form of immorality has emerged that I must oppose vigorously: using the threat of WMD use in order to attack, occupy, or slaughter the civilians of sovereign nations. If this is allowed to become the norm, much suffering is in store for humanity..
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What WMD .. There has been no WMD used .. no nukes - no "Chemical Weapons" nor threatened sans Russian's sovereignty be impinged upon .. Which is always the case for every nuclear nation. Even some of the Pundits on the Propaganda networks admit this much .. or at least the one fellow I saw .. You been drinking it down ..

    Glad you would not have agreed to arming - supporting - supplying the "Islamic State" thats a start .. but how about the Obama-Biden Dream Team being Branded as "War Criminals" .. face trial they should .. Treason to the nation .. Arming the 911 Terrorist with sophisticated US technology...

    Putin don't hold a candle next to those boys the Atrocity-Terror scorecard. .. have you any idea what went down in Syria mate ? The most dirty of deeds ..
     
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    There is no way for me to know what went down in Syria. There is no one to trust out of the Western media, the dictators' state media, Assad, Putin, Edrogan, ISIS, AQ, Iran, or Obama-Trump-Biden. I'm not picking one to believe, at least with my current perspective.

    And the nuclear forces alert, as well as other comments by Putin were indirect threats at the least.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Plenty of ways to know what down in Syria .. How about Tulsi Gabbard - the "Stop Arming Terrorist Act" cosigned by 13 other bipartisan in Congress.

    We know what "Went down" in terms of what the Islamic State" did .. war crimes .. crimes against humanity -- daily executions - rape - forced marriage .. genocide .. all those fun things..

    We know what and who created this new Islamic State .. and its a long list . was a massive effort . brought over all the left over stuff from the war in Yugoslavia .. along with lots of new stuff .. heavy duty stuff tanks . howitzers .. you don't fight a nation state with a few ak-47s

    USA - leading the charge as always .. Brother El Saud, France, Britain, Turkey, Qatar, Jordan Israel .. and so on..

    Not easy to sneak howitzers in by back pack .. a few sand dwellers .. Arming - Supplying - Supporting these scum for 6 years.. 400,000 dead .. just a freaken nightmare ..

    Who were the people fighting for freedom ? -- thats a no brainer .. the moderate people of Syria .. The Christians - the Jews in Syria along with all the moderate Muslims - Syria is the Shining Star of Freedom and Liberty among Muslim nations in the ME .. who's side were they on .. the one's that did not want Syria to go from a Secular nation to Strict Sharia theocracy -- dark age style.

    The reason most folks do not know this .. is because of our lying propaganda false narrative Media.. Ohhh .. and "Lock Her Up" btw .. lying to congress about it :) ..
     
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    War is risky. I say if it shoots give to Ukraine. They gave up their nukes with the promise the US would protect them.
     
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    Well, on the matter of the Plandemic, Fox broke from the herd and began to ask good questions and make good observations that revealed the scam.

    OAN has done the same in spades, especially Dan Ball and Pearson Sharp.

    But when it comes to the Ukraine situation, Fox and OAN are very much mainstream media in that they endlessly repeat all the official talking points and propaganda.
     
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    Sundial Bridge Lit In Ukrainian Colors
    March 8, 2022


    The Redding City Council has directed that the Sundial Bridge be lit up in the blue and yellow colors of the Ukrainian flag. Over the weekend the bridge was lit up red to honor American Red Cross month. Monday night a ceremony was held to honor the Ukraine people in their fight against the Russian invasion. The bridge is equipped with programmable LED lighting that can be set in a variety of color schemes. It’ll be blue and yellow until further notice. A number of other landmarks around the world are also lit in blue and yellow for Ukraine, including the Eiffel Tower, the Sydney Opera House and many U.S. state capitol buildings.


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    o get the images of our sundial Bridge all decked out in Ukraine Blue and Yellow that I can’t paste here go to https://www.redding.com/story/news/...ng-sundial-bridge-support-ukraine/9421065002/












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    guess I and my very conservative home town are too on this matter.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Yes, so are 2 of my brothers. Their cognitive dissonance runs deep.
     
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    The US doesn't deliberately target unarmed civilians and we prosecute soldiers who do. Russia is deliberately targeting unarmed civilians and also cutting off their means of escape.
     
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    1) "Target unarmed civilians" - Yes we do .. invented a word for it to soften the blow .. called "Collateral Damage" or did you not realize when you drop a 1000 lb bomb in a compound containing a bad guy .. but also civilians .. you are targeting civilians.. have yet to figure that one out yet have we ?

    2) and no .. we don't - least not very often - See Wiki Video - let me know when those cowboys got prosecuted .. but more to the point .. almost never when we kill civilians intentionally does anyone get prosecuted .. nor do we favor prosecution in the international stage .. unless it is our "enemy" ..

    Your last comment -- .. and Yes .. Russia does it too -- but as you weed through the war propaganda - remember the first casualty is Truth .. and you been drinking down the propaganda all your life .. as evidenced by your inability to figure that killing civilians while killing a bad guy is "intentionally targeting civilians"
     

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