Vaccinated people now make up a majority of covid deaths

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  1. HurricaneDitka

    HurricaneDitka Well-Known Member

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    source: Vaccinated people now make up a majority of covid deaths - The Washington Post

    For comparison's sake, US Coronavirus vaccine tracker | USAFacts says that 68% of the country is "fully vaccinated".

    Let's contrast those numbers with Biden's claim:



    "for unvaccinated, we are looking at a winter of severe illness and death for unvaccinated; for themselves, their families, and the hospitals they'll soon overwhelm; but there's good news: if you're vaccinated, and you have your booster shot, you are protected from severe illness and death, period."
    - Joe Biden, December 16, 2021

    "In January and February this year, it was up to 42 percent [of coronavirus fatalities that were 'fully vaccinated']"

    Biden is a liar.
     
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    It's funny when people label this sort of thing misinformation because it makes the term misinformation meaningless.
     
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    You're mixing up the statistical contexts. The 58% of COVID deaths related to anyone "vaccinated or boosted", not just "fully vaccinated". The equivalent figure on that USAFacts link appears to be the 79% who "have received at least one dose."

    So we're talking about 79% of the population accounting for 58% of the deaths and 21% of the population accounting for 42% of the deaths. That on it's own would certainly hint at vaccination providing some level of benefit, and that's before considering factors such as those at most vulnerable being more likely to be vaccinated.

    It's not straight forwards and the vaccines certainly haven't been as effective or long-lasting as anyone would have hoped but claiming these statistics prove the vaccines provide no protection at all is simply wrong.
     
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    You're moving the goalposts. The article does not use your lame "one dose" figure. Being "vaccinated" for COVID has a specific definition and that means at least two shots within the appropriate window.

    Also note that this is an analysis because...the CDC is withholding this information and it is not being put out there. Articles a year ago with the efficacy of those below 50 with Omicron were being withheld by the CDC because they claimed people would use those reports for "misinformation".

    The real "misinformation" is realizing that the vaccines don't really work. At this stage additional studies have shown they don't even prevent severe illness or death.

    Note the analysis is from August and we are now in November. It's gong to kep getting worse and they can only attempt to hide the truth for so long.
     
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    thats because they aren t vaccines!
    they are no different than taking an aspirin for a headache that keeps coming back!
     
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    No no no, the USAFacts link makes it quite clear:

    79% would be considered something like "partially vaccinated" (although the government just lumps these into "the unvaccinated" for purposes of counting death and illness), e.g. they got one shot of the original two-shot course of Pfizer or Moderna vaccine.

    68% either received both original shots of Pfizer / Moderna, or the single-shot J&J vaccine. They're what the .gov has consistently described as "fully vaccinated".

    33% have gone on to receive additional dose(s) above and beyond the original regimen that got them to "fully vaccinated" and are now "boosted" or "fully vaccinated and boosted".


    My claim is simply that Biden lied when he said "... if you're vaccinated, and you have your booster shot, you are protected from severe illness and death, period." Neither the vaccines, nor the boosters, provide the sort of protection he claimed 11 months ago. You are not, in fact "protected from severe illness and death". Shitloads of people who were "fully vaccinated" (and even boosted) have died from COVID.
     
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    Just adding to this point in and noting that per the CDC if you had two shots but the second shot was not within the prescribed timeline for being fully vaccinated then you were UNVACCINATED.

    So if you got your second shot but it was only ten days ago and you died, you were unvaccinated per the CDC.
     
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    USAFacts is indeed clear but the Washington Post isn't (and appears not to have correctly linked the actual analysis it refers to, just raw CDC data). Regardless, the statistics would still suggest some benefit from vaccination, especially once the vaccination rates of people at high risk are taken in to account.

    I'm not here to defend Biden and I think his wording is poor (as it usually is) but I don't think it is correct to call this an outright lie. Vaccines do provide protection from severe illness and death. They don't provide complete immunity (nor are they claimed to, especially now) but that isn't what he said.

    He certainly implies greater protection than the statistics suggest but then the unqualified statement that "vaccinated people make up the majority of COVID deaths" implies less protection than the statistics suggest. I wouldn't trust either the media or politicians on this (or pretty much anything else).
     
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    (overall, an excellent post, thank you for improving the quality of the discourse here)

    It's far from the only time Biden has made dishonest claims about the vaccine effectiveness:

    - Biden in July 2021
    source: Did Biden Say You Won't Get COVID if You're Vaccinated? | Snopes.com

    - Biden in October 2021
    source: PolitiFact | Joe Biden overstates how well vaccines prevent person-to-person virus spread

    - Biden in December 2021
    source: PolitiFact | Biden says that vaccinated people can’t spread COVID-19. That’s not what CDC says.

    etc.

    ETA: body armor provide some modest additional protection from bullets, but it would be wildly misleading to tell a wearer that they are "protected from bullets, period." That's the level of deception I see in Biden's statement.
     
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    As I said, I'm not specifically looking to defend Biden but he is far from the only politician or public figure to make misleading (or even outright false) statements about COVID and vaccination, and at least as many of those statements come from those opposing vaccines or general policies in the face of COVID.

    I also think it's fair to point out that the headline from the Washington Post is also (intentionally) misleading by focusing on the proportion of deaths among the vaccinated without even accounting for the proportion of the population vaccinated or any of the other key factors. The 58% is largely meaningless on it's own, but because it happens to be over half, it makes for an eye-catching headline.

    If you're opposing misinformation, you should oppose all misinformation. If you're just using this to spin up a partisan political attack, you just shouldn't.
     
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    Could you please point out the part where the original poster claimed that the vaccine provide no protection at all? Thanks in advance.
     
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    Yea let’s all continue to push vaxxes that you don’t need instead of creating healthy life styles.

    And make sure you wear your thin cloth mask that doesn’t work either lol.
     
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    Did you know the vaccine prevents car accidents.
     
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    Yes. The so “called vaccines” are nothing but unproven therapeutics. In all countries excess deaths have increased after mass mandated “vaccinations”. Source for the preceding is the book “Cause Unknown” by Ed Dowd.
     
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    Over the last 2 years they've been proven. Proven to be dangerous biological weapons with no therapeutic value at all. Yes, it was planned that way.
     
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    Hard to say it was planned but the willful lack of testing on those most vulnerable, the ignoring of the strong correlation of myocarditis with “vaccine” mandates, the guarantee that the “vaccine” would result in immunity, and the increase in excess deaths in the historically lowest death rate age groups cannot be ignored.

    Biden had it exactly wrong - we have a pandemic of the “vaccinated”.
     
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    That it was planned is easier to see than you might think.

    You might start here: Home - Pl@ndemic Series (plandemicseries.com)
     
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    ~ At this point in time it's hard to say that it wasn't . :blankstare:
     
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    Vaccinated people now make up a majority of covid deaths... Noooooooooooooooo, you don't say! [sarcasm] It's only a rare occurrence and a coincidence that people are dying from that sh!t, NOT!

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    On the money for that one. Even Gatesey baby tells us so... well, not that it's a biological weapon, but he states it doesn't work.

     
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    Vaccinated people now make up a majority of covid deaths

    Because most people are vaccinated. Misleading statistic. I remember long ago seeing a statistic that most traffic accidents within 25 miles of home. Another misleading statistic. Most driving occurs within 25 miles of home.
     
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    ~ More statistics that show the "vaccine " is a failure. If it did indeed induce immunity there would be few deaths/infections.
    Don't forget social distancing and bandanas ✔️
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    " That depends on what the meaning of the word ' vaccine ' is ..."
     
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    We’re they fully vaccinated and up to date with vaccinations? Your link is to WaPo and I am not a subscriber but this is not new

    KFF reported on this in November last year with an explanation as to why this is so for the hard of thinking and innumerate

    https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/why-do-vaccinated-people-represent-most-covid-19-deaths-right-now/
     
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