Video: James Lindsay 30 minute address to EU parliament on 'woke' and marxism.

Ya, I know, long videos suck. I would provide a synopsis, but there's just so much here and none of it is fluff. Best I can do- capitalism succeeded in making the middle class irrelevant as change agents, the new change agents are corporations, and wokeness is how they will bring about the western collectivist, propertyless, neofeudalistic 'utopia'. Here's how:



My only critique is that he should've left 'woke is marxism' til the end, instead of making that point first and then proving it (which he does). But I guess this was tailored to the captive parliament audience instead of fickle YT viewers who are likely to just shut it off first.

I havn't researched all of what he claims as fact, but I have some and havn't found any inaccuracies or anything I think he got wrong. If you can pinpoint any flaws in his analysis, please share them. Seems spot on to me.

for context:
James A. Lindsay - Wikipedia
"James Stephen Lindsay (born June 8, 1979[1]), known professionally as James A. Lindsay,[2] is an American author, cultural critic, mathematician and conspiracy theorist.[3][4] He is known for the grievance studies affair, in which he, Peter Boghossian and Helen Pluckrose submitted hoax articles to academic journals in 2017 and 2018"
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"Beginning in August 2017, Lindsay, Boghossian, and Pluckrose wrote 20 hoax papers, which they submitted to peer-reviewed journals using several pseudonyms as well as the name of Richard Baldwin, a friend of Boghossian and professor emeritus of history at Florida's Gulf Coast State College. The project ended early after one of the papers, published in the feminist geography journal Gender, Place and Culture, was questioned by investigative journalist Toni Airaksinen of Campus Reform who realized the article wasn't real due to its lack of following academic journal publish standards, which caused widespread interest and was covered by multiple journalists.[26]

The trio subsequently revealed the full scope of their work in a YouTube video created and released by documentary filmmaker Mike Nayna, which was accompanied by an investigation by The Wall Street Journal.[27] By the time of this revelation, seven of their twenty papers had been accepted, seven were still under review, and six had been rejected...."
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"Lindsay has supported Democratic Party candidates, including volunteering for Barack Obama, and was part of the New Atheism movement.[30] He said in 2022 that he originally identified with the left, though he had stopped considering himself a liberal. Lindsay stated that he does not "really" consider himself a conservative, but added: "I do notice that when I talk about conservatives now, I tend to use the pronoun 'we'. So maybe on some psychological level, getting down in there, I've started to identify, but I don't know if I mean 'we' conservatives or 'we' people who are standing up for broadly classically liberal values like the United States was founded upon. Team Reality, if you will. And if that's conservative, so be it."

 

No one who claims that "woke is marxism" understands either word. It's complete bull ****.

 

Given that you didn't address any part of his explanation, ...and you posted this 6 minutes after the thread was created, we can know that you didn't watch enough of the video to hear his explanation.

I'm soooo surprised

 

I've heard the argument before. It was always dumber than a lobotomized pet rock. I've also written several essays in college critical of Marxism. You guys are, at best, full of ****. And that's being generous.

 

Then I'm extremely interested in which parts specifically of his analysis of marxism and how it relates to the manifestation of 'woke' are incorrect. You might be the most qualified person here to 'debunk' his claims. But in order to do that convincingly, you'll have to specifically address them... I won't simply be taking your word for it without further explanation.

 

You are asking me to ignore everything possible about what the word "Marxism" actually means. I refuse to abandon facts just to support your feelings.

I won't simply take your word that "Marxism" is completely meaningless.

 

What are you even talking about? I never said 'marxism is meaningless'. Lets try this- does Lindsey misquote or mischaracterize anything in his presentation from the writings of Marx?

 

Your OP assumes that Marxism is meaningless. Your OP is impossible without that. There's a reason why you can't ACTUALLY appeal to anything remotely approaching actual Marxism while slinging your false accusations.

 

I don't see how. Its not meant to do that...

Are you saying 'woke' is meaningless?

 

Yet that's what it does. You assume that Marxism is just whatever you feel like saying it is based on your feelings of the hour of the day, without any kind of actual reasoning at all. I realize that sucks for you, but it is literally all you have.

 

Yardmeat did not watch your video. He posted 6 minutes after you posted it. That's not even enough time to watch it a 2X speed.

 

I havn't said anything about what marxism is or isn't. I've provided a speech from someone explaining how 'woke' is being used to implement marxism. Marxism is (breifly) defined in the speech using the writings of marx... I believe one of the quotes was "the abolition of private property"... is that not an accurate representation of marxism?

 

If you can't talk about what Marxism is or isn't, then your OP is complete garbage, by your own admission.

As far as what Marxism is, it involves a complete dissolution of the State, money, and private property (meaning private ownership of the means of production), which has nothing to do with "wokeism" in any way.

 

The OP is about 'woke' being an impliment of a marxist agenda toward 'dissolution of the State, money, and private property'. The explanation of how is ...in the provided video.

 

And it failed. Your argument's impotence is not the fault of others.

 

Awesome. Thanks for sharing your perspective. And as usual, this completes the fake wall of authoritarianism that is so necessary for the "woke is marxism" BS to continue to thrive... So, you suggest that no one claims, and yet this person cited did. So how is that possible, if as you claimed, no one would?

 

It doesn't matter. YM will simply scream and kick and yell to keep the focus off of the video you provided.

 

Glad we agree that the whole "woke is marxism" think is braindead authoritarianism.

 

You can't know that if you didn't watch it. You're just making it up.

 

Well that doesn't seem like a very effective strategy...

 

LOL... you got that out of what I wrote? You failed to acknowledge that at least one person did what you said couldn't be done. whoopsies.....

 

I apologize for reading what you actually said. Meanwhile, no, no one did what I said couldn't be done. Whoopsies.

 

Also entirely against the rules of the forum, but that's a different story..

 

It's against the rules of the forum to point out that a video making an accusation about Marxism completely misrepresents Marxism? Since when?

 

How does it misrepresent marxism? Did you watch it yet?