Vindman Escorted From White House After Trump’s Senate Acquittal

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  1. Bluesguy

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    ROFLMAO a scheme from the getgo which Schiff tried to cover up. And stop with the "whatever he does is OK" canard.
     
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    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes there is and he was cutoff from saying to who by Schiff and go watch the testimony again and the video of his boss's testimony I already posted. He has a reputation of being insubordinate and insolent. Good riddance.
    "Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman’s bombshell testimony Tuesday raised significant questions as to what his authority is within the White House National Security Council when he delivered a direct message to the Ukrainian president in April and whether he undermined the White House when he spoke to the foreign leader."
    https://saraacarter.com/vindman-adv...-alleged-plot-but-not-his-commander-in-chief/
     
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    MSNBC only spent most of last Night whining about it.
    At least it's nice to know who the shills are.
    Both Vindman were the Liars and leakers and Bad cops Trump
    was referring to.Trump was also spot-on to say if what happened to
    him happened to President Obama there would be a lot of people in
    jail and for a long time.
     
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    Trump only likes Soldiers when they are a backdrop for a photo op. His poor treatment of military personnel is illustrated every time he denigrates a gold star family, treats a decorated officer like a criminal or pardons a war criminal. All this from someone who used his wealth and power to avoid serving in the military when his country needed him. How is this the United States I grew up in?

    What is truly unsurprising is that conservatives and other related fascist-sympathizers are trying to say that Vindman is "untrustworthy" since he "testified against Trump" by providing a testimony in support of the truth, so by conservative standards that justifies removing him from his post.

    A whistleblower telling the truth makes them the exact opposite of an "untrustworthy" person in every reality except those where you expect your underlings to lie under oath, if you allow them to testify at all, to protect your illegal actions.
     
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    Yeah. Just make crap up. Good job!
     
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    Close. We aren't "socialist". The workers do not own and control the means of production.

    We are a Westminster style Parlimentary democracy who utilizes a free(managed) marker economic system who's direct and indirect profits are used to fund a social safety net.

    Why? Reality is much more insane then anything I could make up.

    Really? Vindmans twin brother leaked Bolton's book? Source?

    Semantics.

    I'm talking about his twin brother.

    I know why Vindman (the one who testified) was 'removed' (fired).
     
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    Are you denying his denigration of Gold Star families, and his avoidance of the draft due to his father's wealth?

    Sorry, but you cannot simply rewrite history because it doesn't conform to your personal narrative.
     
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    "Are you denying his denigration of Gold Star families...?"

    Like all of the other examples of Fake News, they take a part of a story and use it to create a false narrative.
     
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    He's untrustworthy because he perjured himself during his testimony, was called by a former commander a political activist in a uniform (think Obama would tolerate a conservative activist on his NSC staff?), and because he thinks he should be conducting foreign policy instead of the duly elected POTUS. Good riddance. Write a book and get rich, the Swamp will love you.
     
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    Look, Vietnam was fought by low and middle class soldiers, that's just the way it was, see Bill Clinton. The idiots JFK and LBJ got us into that quagmire, JFK even knew it was doomed but wouldn't withdraw because he thought it would hurt his re-election chances.
     
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    Poor little NSC stooge that he is
     
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    So that's a no to anything to back up your claim?

    Unsurprising.
     
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    He's not a whistleblower. He leaked classified information and damaged the relations between the US-Ukraine and future diplomatic relations around the world. How do you think Germany feels about Ukraine now? More or less positively?

    So you see, the #resistance crowd thinks they blew a whistle, that they're patriotic. No, they're not. 5 times, classified information was released. The #resistance crowd put and always has put their petty interests over the USA. So they don't get to call themselves patriots or heroes.

    And if Vindman were a 'hero', then Snowden definitely is for revealing the true nature of phone surveillance.
     
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    And that would be Vindman's choice, not Trump's.

    I know it's really difficult for some to comprehend this, but a career civil servant, in this case a military servant, takes an oath to protect the constitution and the United States. It doesn't say anything about protecting the lies of the President. That however doesn't mean he cannot follow orders.

    I find it appalling that even military and career professionals are being sacrificed at the altar of Trump worship. When, other than in time of war, have we turned on our military and civil service officers and doubted their veracity without just cause?
     
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    The Clapper/Brennan bitches just got shown the door
     
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    Yeah, I can't imagine the uncomfortability Trump would have to endure by having principled individuals in his sphere. Probably gets an allergic reaction.
     
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    And which talking head @FoxNews are you quoting?
     
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    Yeah the principle of funneling IMF loans and USaid into their NGOs via Ukranian bank owned by Brociti investments
     
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    We know he has a first hand relationship with the whistleblower due to the word "demand". No such demand was given, or even proven to be given. Therefore, despite the inaccuracy("demand" as well as several calls.), he leaked classified information against the United States.

    This man is not, and never will be a hero. Nor will the others who leaked classified information 5 times so far during the Trump Presidency.
     
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    Mulvaney didn't do anything wrong(nor did the President). If Kelly was right, he was right due to the optics. But those optics existed, as Trump said from the moment he stepped down the golden elevator. Disband the NSC, and close ranks within the WH. It saves the country money and protects classified information.

    Because despite their claims, these people do not serve America or are willing to put the nation's interests first, not their own.
     
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    He wouldn't withdraw because it would hurt his re-election chances? Isn't that directing foreign policy to a PERSONAL interest? IMPEACH JFK! /sarcasm.
     
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    Instead, he's on the half dollar and has an airport named after him.
     
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    Only in the sense that being President was the only that he could be impeached for his conduct.
     

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