Violence breaks out on streets of France as far-right National Rally loses to left-wing alliance in

errmmm....it's not America mate.....

 

ermmmmmmmI didnt say it was and literally sourced an article that proves it is what happened...so...unless you have a countering source, then I really only have time for one dishonest leftist on any given topic.

 

I cited an article (and a leftist later cited another source) that states pretty clearly that Macron disbanded a house of government to subvert the vote. If you cant/wont at least be honest about basic facts, how can we continue?

 

...what was that then mate....sorry can't see it on the thread...

 

No it's a 'fact' he called an early election, this has happened in the past and will no doubt happen again in the future. Under the Constitution he (and any other President) has the authority to do, this is also a fact. Macron's party did not win the enough votes on it's own in the first round of voting to form government (fact) but did win enough to proceed to the second round (fact) as did Le Pen's National Rally Party and it's allies. It's a fact that there are lots of political parties in France and based on voting preferences in the first round it was likely a coalition of some sort would be required to form a government, indeed La Pens party if it had won would have also required the support of other smaller far right parties and may have needed support from the center to govern. It's a fact that faced with the prospect of a potential far right government Macron was able to cobble together a coalition of left wing parties who under normal circumstances would NOT usually have formed a coalition with his center right Renaissance Party. Coalitions such as this have happened in the past and are likely to happen in the future (fact) . Finally all of these events unfolded in accordance with the Constitution and as a result of a free a fair election with a high turnout (larger than for the first round). In short this election was 'stolen' from Le Pen as much as the 2020 election was 'stolen' from Trump.

The main downside to the result? The coalition formed by Macron is likely to prove highly unstable since the only real common political position of all parties (and their voters) is a desire to prevent the far fight forming a government. That said given the numbers Le Pen would also struggle to form a government without a coalition. So you can call the outcome 'manipulation' till the cows come home but nothing will change the fact that Le Pen was free to 'manipulate' the result exactly the same way Macron did. His problem? He couldn't find anyone with a enough seats in their pocket to sign on to one. Result? He lost. All above board and entirely within the limits defined by the Constitution. Now we all get to see how long this new French Government lasts.

 

There have been several articles cited that state he disbanded a house of government specifically to slow the momentum of a party following an election. In other words...he subverted the vote and will of the people in order to alter the results. Unless you have a source that refutes that?

 

Again wrong (and arse about). No French President can 'disband a 'house of government' after an election. It happens before the election. To be precise it happens contemporaneously to the President announcing an election will be held. From the moment that happens all seats in the house concerned are up for grabs and the government goes into caretaker mode, just like in any other functioning democracy. And, as I said previously according to the Constitution of France any French President can call for early elections at a time of his or her choosing. Often in the past it's because there's been a falling out between coalition partners and the Government no longer as a majority. Don't believe me? Do the research.

And the thing is its' perfectly legitimate (and legal) to do so even if it's just because a President happens to think the timing favors their political party over their political enemies. Again this happens all the time in French Elections. The sitting President looks at polls and goes early if he thinks its in the interest of his Party and their coalition partners (if they have any) to do so. This is What Macron did and it's what other French Presidents have done in the past (look it up). Right wing? Left Wing? It's been done by both sides of politics and if Le Pen's party ever manages to form a government? Guaranteed they'll do exactly the same thing - because they can!

So no, it's incorrect to claim what Macron did a 'subversion' of the process. What happens is the process. What can be said is that such claims are simply sour grapes and come from people who are upset their side didn't win. Your sources are wrong.

 

You are just bleating. 2 Sources previously posted say you are lying...and all you have is "nu UGH!!!"

 

Prove I'm wrong, show where I'm lying and name your sources. Until you can do that? Anything you post is just piss and wind.

 

You havent proved ****, and you havent refuted the two cited articles. Why the **** should I try to prove something to an ideologue?

 

You haven't pointed to the section of the French Constitution that prevents a President from calling an early election at the moment of his or her choosing. Go on Einstein show, show all of us where it states what Macron did contravened the his powers as President. Not that I expect you to be able to. I mean FGS you didn't even know the difference between the French Parliament and the European one until people on this thread spoon fed you that info. As for your 'sources" a couple of news papers reporting on the violence that broke out after the results of the second round of voting were announced. Neither of which stated as you claim that Macron had 'manipulated' or 'subverted' the vote.

 

Never said what he was doing was unconstitutional...I said he is subverting the vote of the people by manipulating the government. Whether or not he has the power to do so doesnt change the corrupt nature of his actions. It does however explain your desperation to excuse his actions.

 

No, you said Macron had 'manipulated or subverted' the election. Without providing any evidence that this was the case while also conveniently ignoring the fact that what he did was;

A) Permitted under the Constitution; and
B) Had been done by many other French Presidents on both the left and right wings of politics in the past.

In other words? Politics as usual - in France!. You disagree? Show us all how what Macron did when he called an early election was somehow different to any other previous French administration where the President called an early election because he thought the timing suited his political purposes.

And if you can't do this? Then as I said earlier you posts are nothing but cry baby, 'my side lost' tantrums.

 

Right...corrupt **** is the norm in France. I hear you.

 

Buy a dictionary and look up the world corruption because you obviously don't know what the word means.

What Macron did was neither dishonest or fraudulent. It was a political decision pure and simple. One he was permitted to make under the terms of the French Constitution and something done routinely in France by BOTH sides of politics. Again, if you don't believe me look up previous elections. And don't think for a minute that if it was permissible under the terms of the US Constitution it wouldn't happen because if it was? US Presidents from BOTH sides of politics would call early elections whenever they thought it was to their political advantage. That's what ALL politicians, even your precious Le Pen do - count the numbers and make decisions based on them.