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  1. CenterField

    CenterField Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Am I telling you to live in a doomsday bunker??? Pray tell, where did I say so? Point to specific points in my posts to you, where I seemed to indicate anything remotely similar to that. Oh boy, talk about hyperbole!

    I just told you that you should take booster shots if they are indicated, even if it's twice a year. That was the extent of my advice. I stand behind it. I also said the benefit from protecting your health should be enough to motivate you. Period. That's all that I said.

    Then you doubted me, and I provided evidence for you.

    If I think that things will be worse?

    Yes and no.

    I don't think the pandemic will go on forever. I think we'll be able to have second-generation or multi-variant vaccines that will be more efficacious than the current ones we have. Also, I've posted here about encouraging developments on the antiviral front, with not one, not two, but three new antivirals that can be taken at home by the mouth, achieving good results; two about to finish phase III, and one that has finished it and has already submitted an application to the FDA. Also, we have now 3 makers of monoclonal antibodies. I think that it is possible that by 2022 we'll have efficacious and specific treatments for Covid-19 that will greatly limit hospitalizations, deaths, and organ damage. Combined with the vaccines, this may indeed represent the end of the SARS-CoV-2 being a serious health problem and becoming a case of the sniffles.

    With more widespread rapid home test production, it's conceivable that in the relatively near future, someone could go about his/her business just like before the pandemic, including unmasked crowds and all, bars and all, and if the person then presented a fever, malaise, loss of sense of smell, etc., the person would get a home test, and if positive, the person would take a 5-day course of a cocktail of two or three antivirals (they act on parts of the virus replication process that do not mutate - all variants have them - so they will be effective against all variants) and be fully recovered like new by then; or, if the person is old and/or with several medical conditions, the person would do the same but would add to it an infusion of a monoclonal antibody cocktail. If the persons in question were also vaccinated (which even if it doesn't fully avoid breakthrough infections, does decrease the odds that it will be severe), than the person would defeat the virus even faster and more completely.

    So I think that the future involves this: rapid diagnostic + second-generation vaccines + in case they fail, a cocktail of antivirals by the mouth for 5 days + in case of risk factors, a monoclonal antibody cocktail infusion = turning Covid-19 into a case of the sniffles for practically all people.

    But the virus will probably become endemic, so we will have to learn to live with it; the rapid diagnostic and specific treatments above may prove to be sufficient to curb it, especially for vaccinated people. Life would go back to normal, like it is today for any other infectious disease: if you catch walking pneumonia, you can be rapidly treated and will recover without consequences, so, you don't need to mask up and avoid bars in order to protect yourself against walking pneumonia.

    Where I think that things will get worse, is when the consequences of the CURRENT infections with the SARS-CoV-2 (especially in people who weren't vaccinated and didn't have these other treatments) come home to roost. We'll see a lot of people with chronic illnesses such as new onset diabetes, a weakened heart, chronic shortness of breath due to lung fibrosis, renal insufficiency, brain damage... and this will cause a societal burden in terms of cost of treatment, loss of productivity, diminished quality of life, and curtailed life span.
     
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  2. CenterField

    CenterField Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I re-read that post, didn't find anything new. What exactly do you want me to re-comment on, or comment upon for the first time?

    One important info, though, is that if you had the natural infection with Covid-19 + two doses of vaccine, you're likely to be very protected, currently (for how long we don't know, but it will likely be for a long time, longer than 6 months). In your case a booster shot might not even be indicated. That's why I said *if indicated.*

    Now, the sort of police state you are describing where you live is concerning. If things there are this bad, maybe you should consider moving away from the country, if possible.
     
  3. Greenleft

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    Yeah that's not what I want to hear. Either you give me a reassuring promise set on the calendar or NOTHING.

    And it's not just the bi annual jab in isolation. It's also all the other lifestyle changes that will never go away that add up to the metaphorical nursing homes and doomsday bunkers.

    You have repeatedly said that I can choose to take your advice and/or trust you. Well, at the end of the day I choose to ignore your advice. Unless the men with the badges tell me otherwise. You can say "I told you so" if the bi annual jab becomes a real thing and you learn through the news a middle aged man in Indonesia collapsed in the street from organ failure (even though he had two AstraZeneca shots and got sick and recovered from Covid-19 in 2020).

    Edit: Oops! You posted before me! OK. Good to know that I probably don't need a bi annual jab.
     
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    There is no police state in my country. I'm being hyperbolic as you say. I'm only indicating that my government has jurisdiction over me and not a doctor in the United States.
     
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    I can't tell you what you WANT to hear if the current state of the science doesn't warrant it.
    If you just want a sounding box that will repeat to you what you want to hear, that's not me.
    OK, so, you choose to ignore my advice. Great. So I wasted my time being very patient with you and giving you all the details you needed to know.
    I mean, I can't help people who won't help themselves. For these, there is something called The Darwin Award. Look it up.
    Since you are saying you choose to ignore what I'm telling you, there is no point in continuing this conversation. Have a nice and long life. Over and out.
     
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    That is CNN lie.
    Virus will spread regardless of masks or vaccinations.
    Vaccine might help individual by boosting an immune system, but it does not help society.
    CNN promotes the outright lie, hoping to dumb down the population.
     
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    "Temporary immunity?"
     

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