WaPo’s HIT PIECE on Russia Influencing Election FALLS APART!

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  1. Gatewood

    Gatewood Well-Known Member

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    The Russians rejected Communism while Fidel and Raul clung to it. Leftists seem to LIKE socialism and Marxism and so they LIKE Fidel and Raul. Get it now?
     
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    And yet, today we have Communist USA openly admitting that they should align with the Democratic Party. Today, we have a Left viewpoint that wants to move closer to the European Left. He might not have exposed anyone in reality, but he exposed a deeper philosophical truth: Leftism, in all of its tenants across the world inevitably trace back to the same common belief and philosophy.

    And sadly, there's nothing xenophobic or 'fearful' about that. That's just who the Dems are in my mind today. If Fidel had died five years ago, do you think CNN holds a mini tribute for the guy? Or a five minute segment that just says 'He's dead'?
     
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    Neither country was ever Communist in anything but name. Both were, and in Russia's case still are, authoritarian right wing dictatorships.

    Fidel Castro will always be a hero to Cubans because he proved that a central American leader could stand up to the Untied States and live to tell the tale.

    Poor people in Cuba have much better lives than the poor in any of the central American countries controlled by US backed dictators.

    Cuba has the second highest literacy rate in the Western Hemisphere, and Cubans live longer than American do. They may not all live in air conditioned suburbs and drive new cars, but few people in Nicaragua, Guatamala or El Salvador do either.
     
  4. TomFitz

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    He exposed nothing. But he intimidated a lot of decent people and cast a shadow of fear across the US.

    McCarthy was never about philosophical truths. He was a first term Senator who was obscure, and who knew no more about actual Communism or Communists than he did about brain surgery or nuclear physics.

    He got headlines by claiming that he had a list of 57 card carrying members of the Communist Party working in the State Department. He had no such list. He got the number off the label on a ketchup bottle.

    He was a drunk, a demogogue and a phony.

    And he wrecked the lives of a lot of innocent people.

    But people like him inhabit the right wing blogosphere today. The message and the appeal are much the same. Fear, ignorance, demogogary, and xenophobia.

    Xenophobia is at the heart of the appeal of men like McCarthy and the central theme of right wing media today. It's adherents lived then, and live now in the same parts of the country and have passed the same prejudices along. Fear of anything foreign. Ignorance (often deliberate) of the world outside one's immediate comfort zone are the drivers.

    The same audience listened to Father Couglin on the radio, bought McCarthy's sensationalist (and usually fake) scare tactics, joined the John Birch Society, the tea party and voted for Donald Trump.

    Joe McCarthy, and Father Couglin are no different from Steve Bannon or Glen Beck. They are all charletans pandering to the fears and anxieties of a poorly informed audience.
     
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    "Untied States", well I can certainly see the ooze coming out of that statement. Although, I don't disagree in the slightest. Given where we're going, the Russian scientist is correct: The US probably will disintegrate. It's nothing new, England broke up, the Soviets broke up. And Lincoln perhaps only delayed the inevitable.

    Of course, I'd like for us to be United but our philosophies don't mix. I'd rather not live in a high-taxing state(Like CA/NY. Despite the numerous amenities and beautiful city-structure.) Or in a political environment in which LEO's are made to be the bad guys and the bad guys get to roam free.

    Once upon a time, someone might say I'm "generalizing" but the electoral map of 2016 and almost every news report confirms it to be true: There's two extremes in the US today, and I consider myself Center-right, who probably would not want to live in a high-taxed area. Because taxes will continue to increase and Middle America will pay the piper.
     
  6. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Kind of like Hillary and her vote count claims or the left trying to shut down free-speech by inventing a "fake news" crisis.
     
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    and HuffPo is the most trusted place to get unbiased news.... you guys make me laugh.....
     
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    I think I mentioned this quite a few times, but the Tea Party(Fiscal Conservatives) are not the same as the ultra-conservative/far right that you complain about. A member of Obama's Administration admitted as much. Hell, the polls admitted as much when 49% of people "didn't know" about the Tea Party. 49%!

    So therefore, all they knew was the narrative espoused by the Left: That the Tea Party is a "bunch of racists". But in reality, by killing off the Tea Party, Donald Trump existed. You could have literally avoided Donald Trump, by working with Fiscal Conservatives who outside of that fiscal part, were much closer to the Liberals than the neo-cons.

    The Democrats chose short-term political gains, over long-term political ramifications. And now you'd like to just lurch Trump in there with all the rest. That obviously didn't/can't work now: He won. And he got the greatest gift of all: Left enabling.

    So tell me, is the Left more radical than they were in '12 and '08?
     
  9. Gatewood

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    Pure Communist Manifesto style leftist propaganda; with massive historical revisionism tossed in for free. Cool!

    One of the great side benefits of leftist Obama and Hillary being rejected by the United States and the Great Socialistic Experiment/paradise of Venezuela going belly-up and Fidel Castro finally kicking the bucket is that a great many leftists are finally pulling aside the veil to reveal their true root core philosophy. It's . . . awesome.
     
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    Are you seriously congratulating yourself for exposing fake news on parody sites like ABCnew.co? Have you courageously exposed The Onion and Duffelblog as well? We're talking about the Washington Post. Please address that.
     
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    The lefts entire strategy of demonizing anyone who doesn't agree with them has failed. They were caught red handed.

    Honest reporting died in 2008, looked really bad in 2012 and it completely fell off the cliff this time.

    The MSM is a complete joke.


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  12. Gatewood

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    Apparently leftists CANNOT address the actual content of the article and nor what it means for the Left as a whole.

    The Washington Post blatantly engaged in McCarthy Era style witch hunting WITHOUT bothering to vet their source. It turns out that said source has since then admitted that it lied and new information indicates that it is almost certainly a CIA disinformation media outlet ILLEGALLY operating inside the United States of America . . . for . . . the . . . DNC.
     
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    I don't know what any of that had to do with my post.

    BTW, if England broke up, someone should tell the English....It will come as a surpise to them.

    I also don't know what Russian scientist you're talking about.
     
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    Hillary had nothing to do with the fake news that folks like you eat like candy.

    Some in the US media finally started pointing it out.

    No one tried to shut down free speech. You are free to believe all the lies you like, and keep coming back for more. It's what you do!
     
  15. Gatewood

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    That and between them The New York Times AND The Washington Post both got caught over the course of the last two weeks in BLATANT lies for the benefit of the DNC. Now these are the two flagship newsprint outlets for the Left in this nation.

    These are not, in other words, MSNBC or The Huffington Post or The Daily KOS, none of which EVER have anything to do with the actual truth about much of anything. These are the NYT and the WPO; the cream of the leftist crop in regards to respectability and integrity and both of them have been caught in flagrant political lies for the benefit of the DNC. It don't get no better than that . . . for . . . the . . . Right.
     
  16. TomFitz

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    Your claim is based entirely on the claims of a far right wing blog that has no credibility at all. They make up "news" to pander to your prejudices all the time.

    Gateway Pundit is a trash blog, nothing more.

    I will research the story. But there is certainly no reason to believe that what Gateway Pundit says is true at all.
     
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    Document that claim.

    We know you can't,

    It's not as if far right wingers care at all about respectability or integrity. Fox News, right wing talk radio, and trash blogs like Brightfart, Gateway Pundit, InfoWars all lack any of either quality.
     
  18. Gatewood

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    Document what? The NYT was caught lying about what Trump said in their 'off the record' meeting. Document what? The Washington Post just got caught lying. Document what? MSNBC, The Huffington Post, and the Daily KOS are known to be absolutely nothing more than pure political propaganda outlets for the DNC. Document what?
     
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    Uh, Actually ProporNot has posted no such admission. Nor is their story unraveling.

    But the core of the Gateway Pundit rebuttal is based on the claims of a blog no one ever heard of called Survaillance Valley.

    Survaillance Valley has all the earmarks of a fake news site.

    It has no content other than one article.

    It did not exist 30 days ago.

    And it is being fed into the right wing media blogpshere the way fake news is always fed, via one or two right wing blogs. Inevitably, following the usual pattern, all the other right wing blogs crib the original story and start parroting it.

    A right wing trash blog does tries to rebut the Washington Post's story on fake news by referencing fake news!!!!!!! Sweet!
     
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    Thank you for making my point.

    You claimed that the New York Times and the Washington Post got caught lying in the last two weeks. I challenged you to document your claim.

    You didn't as I predicted, Instead you repeated your baseless claim.

    The story in the OP is a lie, and it is based on a fake news site.
     
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    You have no idea what you're talking about.
     
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    LOL, can't see what is obvious?
     
  23. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Just the fact that the source of the story itself isn't all that much to be believed . That's not important on a story about fake sources?
     
  24. Wrathful_Buddha

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    I don't think there is any way for the MSM to regain trust, or make a comeback. They have damaged themselves beyond repair, in my opinion.
     
  25. way2convey

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    Yes, beware of all "news" sources massaging the "fake-news" meme. It's just another low-info prop label being used to discredit information that doesn't favor the pro-progressive, pro-globalist agenda. Remember, Obama implied FOX wasn't a truthful media outlet on more than one occasion & has made several snarky comments about [right-wing] "talk radio" as well. They left pulls this crap all the time. It's no different than them applying the "racist" shame label to anyone who opposed Obama's policy or who supports border security, except now they're using a new label against information & news outlets who they've decided threaten their message and thus have decided to label as "fake-news" sources. And, it's not just the news sources but everyone who uses them to gather information & form opinions. It's another effort by the left to apply shame by association just like Hillary tried to do with her basket of deplorable's list.
    Prediction; This effort is going to back-fire on the liberal's & the liberal media just like the basket of deplorable's did because it's being pushed by the same sources the American public has made clear it doesn't trust.
     

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