War in Ukraine - an excellent solution

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Do you think Europe should have the biggest say in the war in Ukraine?

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  1. yangforward

    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The solution from the Trump camp, is to hand the war over to Europe.

    PRESENT
    Taking what is known about the war in the present - the US is supplying
    weapons -

    The High tech weapons are programmed and launched by US personnel,
    ex military employed by 'defense' contractors, and the medium and low
    tech are carried by Ukrainians from West, Central and a certain amount
    taken from Southern and Eastern Ukraine, and mercenaries.

    And from the other side both weapons and personnel are from Russia mostly.

    CHANGE
    Europe has skin in the game and wants to de escalate the war, keep the
    gas pipelines working and not have a dependent country on their doorstep.

    The US is thousands of miles away and should not be making the decisions.
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Europeans should get some say in what happens in Europe.


    But the Europeans should be in charge for another reason.

    Biden, the top levels of the State Department, and the
    subversive operations part of the CIA, are the ones who
    started the war in Ukraine, and therefore are unlikely
    to be motivated to end it.

    It might be mainly by looking at who started the war
    that led Donald Trump to advise moving the locus of
    control over to Europe; bypassing the Deep State.
     
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    Shutcie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Trumps plan, if accurately stated, is the correct answer.

    Ukraine was only of interest to America because of "the big fellow" and in classic democrat fashion, threw BILLIONS of tax dollars at Ukraine.

    Trump's plan let's Europe figure it out.
     
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    European democracies are, understandably, wary of authoritarian sympathizers encouraging Putin's territorial ambitions. Indulging Putin's degeneracy would have disastrous consequences for the U.S.

    ‘do whatever the hell they want’ to any NATO
    country that doesn’t pay enough


     
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    Trump should tell Europe the fighting is on their continent and it's up to them what kind of governance they want to live under.
    The reason we got involved fighting Germany in WW1 and WW2 is their submarines kept sinking our merchant ships and passenger liners. The reason we got involved in the Far East war is because Japan attacked us.
    I believe Trump can make Europe man up to Russia in a big way.
     
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    what about Israel?
     
  7. yangforward

    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In the Far East, Vietnam attacked us, everybody knows that.
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    As for Ukraine - Russia started the war, after we started it, - everybody knows that.


    Where 'everybody knows that' is the lowest standard of proof ever devised.
     
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    It won’t matter because Trump stated as president-elect he will end the Russia-Ukraine war.
     
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    Why do you never mention the only people who actually can make decisions over this war; the Ukrainians and the Russians (not that many Russian people get an informed voice on matters)? They're the ones "in charge" and while choices made by other countries are certainly able to significantly impact the direction of the conflict, the ultimate decision on any conclusion can only be made by the people of the countries involved.

    You're entitled to believe that of course, but it doesn't make it true. It certainly doesn't make it the entire truth and makes it an outright lie if you don't also acknowledge the actions of Russians, Ukrainian separatists and Ukrainian loyalists as well. The idea that the US government can and does simply make things happen around the world is grossly arrogant.
     
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    The war started when the Russians invaded Ukraine.
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    After the US weapons arrived and were used to bombard Donetsk from Feb 18th 2022, then Russia kept their promise and moved forces in to protect Donetsk,
    Luhansk and other populated areas on Feb 24th 2022.

    Your Chronology of Russia started the war matches what Biden said and the media
    says but doesn't match reality.

    It was Patrick Lancaster who videoed a number of explosions over a number of
    years and they were artillery shells coming in from the West.

    I'm expecting in a few months after the media has given up protecting Biden from
    the fact he started the war he is losing, then everyone will find out the truth, but
    by then most likely nobody will care.

    2022 Feb 19 Explosions in East Ukraine.png
     
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    The Russians started the shooting. Ukraine did not threaten them. NATO had no plans to invade Russia.
     
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    Did he catch the shells coming from the East first?

    Biden didn't start the war, Russia did. They started with Crimea and continued attacking all of Ukraine when Obama refused to give Ukraine weapons to protect Cromea. Putin had to believe Biden would do the same thing as Obama did and not arm Ukraine. He was Obama's VP and never said a word.
     
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    Yep,perfect solution! Let's give Ukraine to Putin and we will have peace of our time!
     
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    That's a load of equine excrement. I guess you think this started in 2022 as well?

    Biden was the front man for the CIA and State Department's 2014 Coup that removed the last Democratically elected President of ukraine. If a foreign country removed your President, would you bow down and kiss his ass as well? Well protestors in Odesa didn't and the local Stepan Bandera Neo-nazis burned them alive in the House of Trade Unions. 39 of them.

    https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/ukrainian-rightists-burn-alive-39-at-odessa-union-building/

    Protestors from Crimea were shot down like dogs as they returned from Kiev to Crimea on 8 chartered busses:

    "The Crimeans realized that peaceful protests were hopeless and departed back to Crimea on the chartered buses. At the town of Korsun, the convoy of eight buses was stopped by a gang from the Neo-Nazi “Right Sector”. Dozens of people were beaten and seven Crimeans were killed."



    Protestors in Luhansk and Donetsk were bombed by ukie Coup government jets using illegal cluster bombs that killed thousands of men, women and children.

    https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/10/20/ukraine-widespread-use-cluster-munitions

    This is genocide against ethnic Russian ukrainians.....so that war mongers like Victoria Nuland and Joe Biden could grift at the expense of dead children. A lot of innocent people died so that a select few could scratch their nazi itch (Nuland) and enrich their crackhead son (Burisma/Hunter).

    8 years of this garbage happened while the US military trained actual nazi battalions (AZOV) before Russia invaded. I don't want to hear **** about Russia Russia Russia when it was the vile sob's in our own government that caused this conflict.
     
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    Disagree. Strap a rifle on every American neocon and all of their family members and let them fight for Ukraine's freedom. They don't get back into America until they win. It will be instructional watching the jackals that send good American kids into their meatgrinders finally having a chance to show everybody how it is done.
     
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