Warming Saves Lives

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    They probably saw an article about Manila or another large city subsiding at several times the rate of absolute sea level rise and assume (because they have been lied to) the cause of the problem is AGW. It’s anthropogenic, but is primarily groundwater extraction leading to relative sea level rise. Has nothing to do with CO2.
     
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    https://pulitzercenter.org/stories/...seas-threaten-manila-bays-coastal-communities
     
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    You are here arguing that global warming is real and its saving lives, and comes across as climate nuttery.
     
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    It is real. It is saving lives. The denial of the SCIENCE that shows it saves lives is nuttery. You are welcome to your opinions. But the evidence produced through application of the scientific method is overwhelming—warming saves lives.

    It sounds crazy to you because you’ve been lied to probably your whole life. You’ve been led to believe things that are simply not true. Like heat is the major temperature related threat. It is not. You’ve been led to believe agriculture suffers under climate change. It does not. Climate change results in large increases in food production. You’ve been led to believe nuttery such as flooding in places like Bangladesh etc. is driven by atmospheric CO2 induced warming that causes excess precipitation. It’s not. You’ve been led to believe nutty stuff like hurricanes are evil, but Florida would be virtually uninhabitable without hurricanes. You’ve been led to believe nutty stuff like drought and fires in Australia are primarily caused by climate change. Not true.

    Pretty much EVERYTHING you’ve been led to believe about climate and climate change is an utterly false premise or based on lies of omission. You’ve been trained to believe lies and reject real evidence by your educational system and your political system (regardless of which political tribe you run with). You don’t have to remain captive to those systems of deceit. You can accept the evidence produced through application of the scientific method.
     
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    The exact same way that they always tend to believe that warming means things get drier and we will have more droughts. Which in reality is the exact opposite of reality, as the hotter the planet gets the more humid it becomes, the driest periods in history are when it is cold, not hot.

    That is the problem when one goes off of beliefs and not actual science, they often get things completely backwards.
     
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    Yep. If only we taught a bit of science and a bit of logic in school. But there is a reason we don’t!
     
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    Rote learning is far easier, for both the teachers and students. No need to actually think, just take in what you are told and spit it back out on command.

    And it certainly does not help that most seem to stop actively learning once they graduate. I'm damned near 60, and I spend far more time watching documentaries (mostly science and history) than I do playing games, watching movies, or other time wasters.
     
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    I'm 63 and getting schooled regularly by folks much smarter than I is why I'm here.
     
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    I'm 73 YOA. You youngsters are doing just fine.
     
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    Not smarter. We all just have different things we have experience in and are good at. My wife bought me a guitar a few months ago because ever since she’s known me I’ve talked about wishing I could play a bit. I haven’t picked the thing up because I’m petrified I’ll suck as much at guitar as I did piano. :) I’m about as close to 50 as you can be without being 50. LOL

    PF is a great place to learn. I’ve learned a great deal here.
     
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    Coincidentally, that's as long as I've been an actual guitar player.

    Congrats! Hope it goes well for you.
     
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    Thanks. I’m keeping my expectations low (realistic). LOL.
     
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    Hint: Start by learning to strum and sing your lovely wife's favorite song.

    That's about as realistic as it gets.
     
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    That sounds like good advice.

    Luckily I can sing. That’s how I finally got out of piano lessons. Made a deal with my mom I’d pursue singing instead. :)
     
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    My instrument is the stereo.
     
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    I actually ran a mixer for many years, working as a DJ off and on for over 3 decades. But after an accident I ended up with tinnitus, which put an end to that. I still did it on occasion, but mostly for unit parties and the like.
     
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    There is no H2O in CO2.
     
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    Lucky for us there's no shortage of water.
     
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    It depends on where you live.
     
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    There has been no global decline in precipitation.
     
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    And that has not a damned thing to do with the climate, or rainfall at all.

    It is because of overpopulation, the amount of rainfall is actually increasing. But if you put too many people into an area, of course you will have a shortage of water.

    There was more than enough water in California until the late 1980s. At that time the population was still under 30 million, and they were just starting to see the issues of not enough water to support that many people. Now we are over three decades later, and the state is in a permanent water crisis. But here is the amazing thing, the amount of water is actually slightly up. But the population has ballooned to just under 40 million people. That means over 10 million more people, but nowhere near enough water in the local environment to support that many people. Even if California was a wetland environment like Georgia, there would not be enough water to support that many people without doing damage to the environment.

    What you and most others constantly fail to realize is that the amount of water is not decreasing. As you yourself said, "it depends on where you live". And each and every one of those places has seen exponential population growth.

    In 1990, Las Vegas still had a huge surplus of water. Huge mega-fountains were everywhere and just over 250,000 people lived in the city. Today, they are also in a water crisis and have a population of over 650,000 people.

    However, Reno did not have a water crisis in 1990, and still does not have a water crisis in 2024. Of course, their population only increased from 135,000 people to 273,000 people. That is over double the population of before, but it is still a number below what the local environment can support. Because they are at the foothills of the Sierra-Nevada range, and plentiful snowfall in the area to support the population that lives there.
     
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    The data are running against the alarmists.
    Global Greening Becomes so Obvious That Climate Alarmists Start Arguing We Need to “Save the Deserts”!
    by Chris Morrison

    "The world is ‘greening’ at an astonishing and rapidly growing rate and deserts are shrinking almost everywhere you look. All due, it seems, to a natural rise in carbon ‘plant food’ dioxide, not forgetting the small annual 4% portion contributed by humans burning hydrocarbons. Inconvenient to the political Net Zero narrative of course – along with high numbers of polar bears, cyclical recovery in Arctic sea ice and recent record growth of coral on the Great Barrier Reef – so there is naturally little mention in mainstream media and politics. “Desertification is turning the Earth barren,” reports the Guardian, and the expansion of drylands is leaving entire countries “facing famine”. Great story, shame about the facts. A recent article in Yale Environment 360 states that rather than shrivelling and dying, vegetation is growing faster and deserts are retreating. . . ."
     

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