was confucius "woke?"

a rank generality without substantiation isn't an explanation for anything. It's not better than a wild ass rant by some guy at the end of the bar in any dive in America.

Put some meat on those bones, Pycckia, state your case. Cite some sources to back up your position.

If not, you haven't said squat about anything.

 

It’s funny how are you blame the left for the Chinese communist cultural revolution. The left is very diverse.

 

I didn't say absolute. I am talking about a recent trend of people pretending to be liberals and calling for less and less freedom of speech. Free speech used to be championed by most on the left. That has become less and less so over the past few years.

 

There isn't anything in your comment that is possible to debate other than just tossing another opinion back at you but that's the recipe for just talking past each other.. I know there are others on this forum that are fine with just that, but I"m always hunting more in depth discussions, going with specifics if specifics are available, and they usually are, most of the time.

You've made a generality. Neither Republicans nor Democrats, or any other group, are monolithic, and there are differing points of view in each of the many groups. the point is, you can't really make a valid generality unless a group is monolithic or is close to it. There are wide ranges of the left, as there are on the right.

If you care to be more specific, cite some examples, link to something that backs up your claim, your argument would be more persuasive.

 

It appears you have a disdainful habit of putting words in people's mouths.

Shame on you.

 

PDS:
What does the coined term, 'woke' mean, in modern parlance?

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In modern parlance, the term "woke" is commonly used to describe a state of awareness, particularly regarding social and political issues related to race, inequality, and injustice. The term emerged from African American Vernacular English (AAVE) and gained broader usage in popular culture. Being "woke" implies being conscious of systemic biases, discrimination, and social issues, often with a focus on marginalized communities. It signifies an active commitment to challenging and addressing these problems. However, the term can also be subject to different interpretations and can sometimes be used in a more divisive or derogatory manner by those who dismiss or criticize the concept.

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You can be certain that the right takes the point of view of the last sentence.

 

The left's attack on Western Culture is no secret.

Just google "Western Culture got to go"

 

"i am the retribution" trump

how many graves are the "maga movement" digging for dear leader's vengence?

 

@Patricio Da Silva i like most of the content from both of you. don't let the appearance that de is using for emphasis be too distracting.

 

If fear is any indication, it will be fifty swamp* to one Trump.

*Mostly FBI and Clinton, Inc.

 

First, there is nothing wrong with sharing opinions. This is not strictly a debate forum. It is a discussion forum.

Second, if you were really deadset on debate you could have challenged the claim I did make (which I did not express as an opinion). More and more on the left now push against free speech when before more pushed for it.

When I was a child, it was the right who forced compelled speech onto myself and other school children, demanding we recite the Lord's Prayer every morning regardless of my being an atheist. Today at work conferences it is the left who demands compelled speech, forcing everyone to state their pronouns and use the chosen pronouns of others.

When I was young, it was the right who lashed out, shunned, ostracized and tried to cancel those who didn't share their Christian views. That rarely happens today. Today it is a different religion, the "woke" who lash out at and try to cancel people for wrong thought.

Back then it was also the right who pushed against equal treatment to all. It was the right who didn't want to allow homosexuals to get married, and who balked at mixed race couples. Before then it was people on the right who wanted segregation and special privileges for white people, going all the way back to slavery. Today, white supremecists still exist but are rare and have to hide it because they have little power and the culture is against them.

Today, it is people on the left who push for segregated "safe spaces", divide rather than unite by separating out "people of colour" rather than "coloured people" (which means the same thing), and demand special treatment and discrimination based on race.

Going back further you had witch hunts like McCarthyism etc, being pushed by people on the right. Today cancel culture on the right still exists, but it is just as prevalent and growing much more quickly on the left now. Will we reach the point of McCarthyism but of the Woke or will sanity return before we do?

Finally, back then yes, free speech was mostly a left wing issue. Nazis were allowed march in the streets, protected by the ACLU, because free speech is important. Porn and violent movies were campaigned against by the right, now just as much so by the left.

And yes, the right and left are not monolithic, but in most western countries polarized by first past the post voting systems, it still matters very much what the trends are on either side. And I see a definite increase in both authoritarianism and anti-free speech more and more on the left.

As one of the remaining freedom minded actual liberals using the name Liberal, it alarms me. I think I am still with the silent majority on the left, but for how much longer? And at what point do we actual liberals finally stand up en masse against these authoritarian anti-liberals and take back the left?

 

I don't think you will ever find common agreement on that term, because both the right wing politicians and those they use the term to decry benefit from its ambiguity.

There is a growing segment of authoritarian, racist pretending to be "anti-racist", illiberal people on the left. These are the ones calling for segregation and special treatment based on race, biological men allowed to beat up biological women in combat sports etc.

The right wants that to be what "woke" means, so they can then point at people on the left calling themselves "woke" in high numbers, infusing those who are not in the above group, and use it to scare up support and votes by fighting it. That's DeSantis.

Meanwhile those actually in the group mentioned above want to define "woke" as being aware of social injustice. Anybody can get behind that and those in this group get to obfuscate what they actually are. If they called themselves what they actually are, they would not get the support of the cow towed liberals who want to see themselves as good people and are afraid of being called -ist.

 

Confucius says: "Man going through airport door sideways, going to bangcock."

 

No, the onus is on you to make your argument. I don't do your work for you.

 

A few things stood out to me in your comment:

I suspect the chinese don't have big enough junk in the trunk to come close to any 'door' sideways or any which ways.

There were no airports in Confucius's day.

You should capitalize cities.

 

I'm particularly sensitive to egregious type formatting. It's too distracting for me.

 

it's ok. just me trying to stay in the thread's spirit of tolerance and what not.

 

Thai Bangkok. Viet Phuc Long.

https://phuclong.com.vn/en

 

Somehow I thought you'd easily be able to draw that inference, precisely that inference, that I am, indeed, challenging your point. Otherwise, why would I indicate you hadn't said much to support it? Sure, it's just an opinion, but when making just opinions, you might want to mention that that is what you are offering, and not making a claim of fact. When you are making a claim of fact, it's courtesy to cite some URLs that back it up, or at least convey some well known examples. But, a short line is a vacuous claim, and not much argumentative value.

You can summarize the above as a challenge to your claim, most certainly.

Well, there's a broad difference in scope between indicting the left, as a monolithic group that suppresses your speech, and referring to some on the left who asks you to give pronouns you are not used to.

Now, while I share your concern about pronouns, where, in my own case, I'm willing to call a transfemale a 'she' and vice versa, I draw the line on non binary and anything else, especially words that do not exist nor were formed organically in society, over a period of time. But, I do not extrapolate that to anything beyond it, that 'the left is suppressing my speech', that's a monolithic generalization.

When I was young, in the 50s and 60s, I observed some Christians who might have done that, but Christians are a very diverse group and I would never impugn all of them for what some sects do.

As for 'woke' who lash out and try and cancel people for wrong thought, be specific, are you referring to a few who are imposing their pronoun issues, or something else?

See, what I don't like are generalizations applied to groups that are, essentially, not monolithic and who are diverse.

Well, up to about the mid 2000s, there were a number of dems who didn't want gay marriage, either.

Well, if you go back a ways, it wasn't a 'right or left' thing, it was a 'where you lived ' thing. Northern dems were liberal, but southern dems were racist, and not liberal.

Can you give some examples ( well known ones) or cite a URL or two that elaborates/supports your claim?

You have to make a distinction between government and private citizens. If a government witch hunts, that's a constitutional thing, but if a private citizen does it, it could be nothing or if it's egregious, a tort. But, it isn't a right or left thing, it's a cultural thing and no side has a monopoly on wanting to 'cancel' folks they don't liek what they are saying.

Who, now, on the left, is campaigning against porn?

I don't see it on any scale that would sound any alarms. I don't like it when millenials on a campus bark at a speaker they don't like, or petition to get him or her removed, as they did Ann Coulter. But that's not an indictment of the left, that's just an indictment of snotty entitled college kids on some campuses.

I see a lot of ranting coming from you. You should write it all out, with specifics, and quantify it against the whole, to see precisely what the proportions are, and when you make that calculation, see if it squares with your rant/sentiment/generalities.

That's' what I would do, anyway.

 

Sign seen over a vietnamese restaurant in America:

Pho King. ('pho' is pronounced 'fuh').

 

Remain ignorant and partisan.

No skin off my nose.

 

Thats racist!