Was Jesus the First Republican?

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    Was Jesus the First Republican?

    Sure he was. He created individual liberty on earth. He was a powerful common man who liberated other common men from earthly liberal rulers such as Caesar. He taught that each individual person was loved by God and had an individual relationship with God that was based on his free will and individual behavior toward other people and toward God.. This was opposite to liberal statist Rome wherein all human beings on earth were the same. They were mere animals to be defeated militarily, captured, enslaved, raped, killed or taxed. The transformational liberty Jesus created on earth slowly gave birth to Christianity, the Reformation, Enlightenment, and finally the American Revolution. To this day Republicans stand to limit Caesarian liberal statist govt and maintain or increase liberty , while Democrats oppose this basic trajectory of Western Civilization every step of the way!
     
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    He was the furthest thing from a right wing fascist Returdlicker anyone could possibly be,he taught to turn the other cheek and forgive ones enemies.
     
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    yes but more importantly he taught individual liberty as modern Republicans do. Do you understand.
     
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    If Jesus held the beliefs of the most extreme elements of either republicans or democrats party the Jews and romans did the right thing by crucifying him. Don’t insult Christians by associating him with any aspect of US politics.
     
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    if you don't think US politics originated with Jesus then where???
     
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    What do you have against the extreme elements of Republicans? How can you have too much freedom?
     
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    Republicans have been the anti-freedom party for decades. War on Drugs, granting outrageous powers to police to allow unconstitutional searches and locking people up for growing, selling and smoking a weed that they grow on their own land. They championed laws which allow police agencies to shake down motorists, steal their money and property, then force those who have been robbed to prove where they got their own f*cking money. They have fully supported the IRS in it's quest to turn all banks and financial institutions in America (and even coerced foreign banks) into becoming backstabbing informants for the IRS who rat their own customers out. Real freedom lovers....lol
     
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    Whether Republicans stand for freedom depends very much on what you mean by freedom. Of course, it's far from impossible to argue that Republicans stand for freedom, but to assume it with no further elaboration or justification smacks more of a limited understanding of others' opinions than a coherent argument.

    Certainly there is plenty of freedom referred to in the Bible, but when you consider quotes like "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's", I think it's a stretch to interpret Jesus' brand of freedom as anything the Republicans stand for. What Republican interpretation of freedom do you suggest Jesus endorses?
     
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    Jesus was the bronze age Hippie.
     
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    He also said when a thief breaks into your house you have the right to kill him.

    I love how selective you lefties are in your bible quotes.
     
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    Jesus didn't oppose Caesar's earthly rule. And the Biblical laws he praised were not too keen on individualism. The Enlightenment and resulting Revolution were largely due to secular influences, whereas Christianity throughout 90% of its history favored the Divine Right of Kings (explicitly supported in Romans 13). And Republicans are selective about which individual liberties they support and which they are against.
     
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    sure he did that's why the Romans killed him and persecuted Christians in general often burning them alive at night to light the roadways. Now do you understand?
     
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    actually the 10 Commandments, if you read them, are about how the individual should behave. This is where Jefferson got the idea for the individual liberty we enjoy today. Did you think liberty came from the Girl Scouts or from Jesus whom liberals love to hate in their total ignorance?
     
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    You are talking about people well after he died. I'm talking about Jesus. He didn't promote political revolution against the Romans in any way. He told people to pay their taxes to the Romans. He wouldn't even let his followers use physical force to protect him when he was arrested. As far as his followers go, Paul said that the Roman authorities were appointed by God and that revolting against them was a sin.
     
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    If you read the 10 Commandments, they are laws, not lovey dovey rules to live by, they directly contradict individualism and individual liberty. Jefferson took a knife to the Bible for good reason.
     
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    too bad there were no secular influences!! the church was the repository of Greek and Roman history and in charge of trying to integrate it with emerging Christian thought!!

    Although it is not accurate to suggest that the Reformation led directly to the Enlightenment, we can nonetheless speak of it as being highly influential. For one thing, both movements displayed a profound distrust in authority being the measure of truth.

    For Protestants, truth came from Scripture; individuals were encouraged to read the Bible for themselves in their own language. To the Catholic Church, this was highly subversive and dangerous. Traditionally, the Church had arrogated...

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    The period of philosophical history known as the Enlightenment lead to a return to the paganism of a much earlier generation. One major event which preceded the Enlightenment and had an enormous impact on the future of Christianity was the Protestant Reformation. In order to see the connection between the Reformation and the Enlightenment it is essential that we spend a few minutes reviewing the history of the Reformation, beginning with Martin Luther.
    The Enlightenment was an extension of many of the ideas of the Renaissance and Reformation. The first element of this is religious.
     
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    oh??? where in particular????
     
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    Jesus is important for the way he helped us create individual liberty as we learned the wisdom of his teachings over centuries. Why on earth limit yourself to his life when his religion that shaped the West did not even exist in his life time??? Absurd??
     
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    They outlaw freedom of religion and freedom of speech, and within them God blatantly says he punishes people for the crimes of others and rewards people for the actions of others, based on nothing more than heredity, which is the direct antithesis of individualism.
     
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    I thought he just separated the pearls from the manure in the N.T? He did the OT too?
     
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    Yes, Jesus was also against welfare which the the backbone of modern liberalism used to buy votes and cripple people!
    2 Thessalonians 3:6-12 ESV /

    Now we command you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from any brother who is walking in idleness and not in accord with the tradition that you received from us. For you yourselves know how you ought to imitate us, because we were not idle when we were with you, nor did we eat anyone's bread without paying for it, but with toil and labor we worked night and day, that we might not be a burden to any of you. It was not because we do not have that right, but to give you in ourselves an example to imitate. For even when we were with you, we would give you this command: If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat.
     
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    God loves using a socialistic principle. Seen in Acts. When one married couple liquidated their assets to give to the apostles to pass out among those in need, the poor, but held some of those proceeds back, God struck both of them dead!!

    Basically God wanted those richer people to turn their assets to cash and take care of the poor in that group. He inspired them to do it. But if you tried to cheat, God would strike your a$$ dead!!
     
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    "Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”

    Yep. Sounds just like the RNC platform.
     
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    Outlaw?? Absurd?? Jesus taught those who chose to follow him. OMG!He had no jail. Most of the Commandments start with "thou shalt" i.e., "you shalt" indicating it is about religious behavior for the individual who chooses with free will to accept the wisdom of God and Jesus. The birth of the individual provided the basis for the American idea of liberty.


    I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. 2[28] 6[28]
    1 1 1 2 1 1 1 1 Thou shalt have no other gods before me 3[29] 7[29]
    2 2 1 2 1 1 1 2 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image 4–6[30] 8–10[31]
    3 3 2 3 2 2 2 3 Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain 7[32] 11[32]
    4 4 3 4 3 3 3 4 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy 8–11[33] 12–15[34]
    5 5 4 5 4 4 4 5 Honour thy father and thy mother 12[35] 16[36]
    6 7 5 6 5 5 5 6 Thou shalt not kill 13[37] 17[37]
    7 6 6 7 6 6 6 7 Thou shalt not commit adultery 14[38] 18[39]
    8 8 7 8 7 7 7 8 Thou shalt not steal 15[40] 19[41]
    9 9 8 9 8 8 8 9 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour 16[42] 20[43]
    10 10 9 10 10 10 9 10 Thou shalt not covet (neighbour's house) 17a[44] 21b[45]
    10 10 9 10 9 9 10 10 Thou shalt not covet (neighbour's wife) 17b[46] 21a[47]
    10 10 9 10 10 10 10 10 Thou shalt not covet (neighbour's servants, animals, or anything else)
     
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