We MUST Get A Handle On This (problem)!

One way or another, we must prevent organizations whose primary motive is profit... from running our nation.

If we don't, it WILL destroy us completely. |See Here|

In that day where we have allowed ourselves to become a 'business' (instead of a nation)... we may perhaps call this place "America", but it will be nothing like what we know it to be 'today'.

 

Johnny,

It will all be swept away because no political system can survive prolonged financial instability. Big Business (as opposed to Small Business) is like a parasite that kills its host.

 

Eliminate government and you have the solution. Giant corporations couldn't exist without government regulation eliminating the competition.

 

Organizations whose primary motive is profit have created all the wealth in this country.

 

I disagree with what you are saying. You have "a" solution, but not what I would view as the 'best' solution.

I really see your point, but to me it has limited value.

 

Another 'partial' answer to a bigger problem. You state the obvious, but you do not address the problem. Honestly, I'm tired of that.

Unbridled "commerce", is no true friend of THE PEOPLE; they are good at pretending to be.

 

What would you consider the best solution, more government? I see government as the main roadblock in the evolution of human society, the elimination of that roadblock seems to be the logical conclusion.

 

Hahaha, what??? Why do people think a free market with out any Government is advantageous for the working man?

And yes there would be massive giant plutocratic monopolists that control all of us like slaves. The people who own capital run the show, the Govt gives the country some semblance of ownership in capital and some competition to capitalists.

I honestly don't get how people have never read a historic book and realized that people who own the wealth and the capital own you!

 

Exactly. I'm about tired of people saying (foolishly so) that nations made of people, need no government. Really, it is blindly stupid to say.

 

Monopolies are created by government regulation, Con-Agra, Monsanto etc., the market is self regulating, the consumer actually has a voice.

You really need to get a refund on your "education."

 

Of course you see what you see, it is obvious. And though I have certain suggestions and ideals about the solutions, I don't claim (as you so confidently do) to have THE best answers to any of this. Smarter, more influential people people than most participants within this forum have informed my views, and within reason I realize that I can only suggest 'part' of the real solutions this nation needs.

 

Your solution doesn't address the issue of economies of scale though. A large company can make products cheaper than a small company can and therefore can price small business out of markets. When all competition is priced out and a monopoly is created the market becomes inneficient.

 

So come out with it, what is your solution? I'm fairly open minded and can debate subjects with rational people, you seem rational and open to discussion.

 

When competition is eliminated due to regulation, consumers are left with fewer choices. It's not just a matter of pricing, it's a matter of fascism.

 

Look, guys like you want people to believe you; you speak like you know. I understand that kind of certitude... but I'm also certain that you do not have THE only or even the best answers to this.

I got it... you believe that what you are saying is absolutely correct. Still, I know many others, with many other ideas who disagree with you. I think I have some good ideas, but you won't see me coming close to attempting to say that my answers are THE ONES; they aren't, and neither are yours.

 

Logical fallacy island. Monopolies are created by those who own capital. The fact is the Govt stepped in to prevent monopolies... such as Microsoft, Standard Oil, etc. To think that there wouldn't be monopoly powers under a pure free for all capitalistic system is absolutely ludicrous.

 

That's NOT what he was saying; yet you painted it that way. Why?

There is good reason to ensure that "monopolies" aren't the rule. And with human nature being what it is, what makes you think that corporations would actually self-regulate, when they can literally MANIPULATE the markets?

Oh yes, we DO need government and REGULATIONS to speak loudly for the INTERESTS of the average person. Living in a world as you envision, would be noting but a miserable catastrophe for nearly all.

 

I subscribe to the Austrian School of economics, they have been correct all along. Why would I subscribe to those that are consistently wrong?

 

But they're not speaking for us. They are speaking for Goldman Sachs. Obama knows why, check his pockets.

Trump said to do something about China, maybe Trump got something right. Our economy is in China and India, free of all patents or intellectual property rights.

 

I see a pattern forming. I see that it means that MSNBCNN would not have hyped Obama from a no-name to president without this:

BARACK OBAMA (D)
University of California $1,648,685
Goldman Sachs $1,013,091
Harvard University $864,654
Microsoft Corp $852,167
Google Inc $814,540
JPMorgan Chase & Co $808,799
Citigroup Inc $736,771
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00009638

 

Government is a monopoly, they have a monopoly on violence and "justice," why should anyone be forced to support such an institution?

The stateless societies that have existed enjoyed relative peace and
prosperity, the US hasn't had any lasting peace since the creation of the Fed. The state is what causes most of the problems in society, yet some want more state, that's just illogical.

 

You are very wrong, Johnny-C.

"Profit" is not the problem today. Earnings or “profit” allow companies to hire more people and enable our national economy to grow and prosper. The problem today is inept leadership in the oval office!

I would say Obama's most significant shortcoming is that he knows absolutely nothing about economics and he has no idea how to successfully grow the national economy.

He has tried several stimulus packages, targeted tax reductions, and two quantitative easings and none of these attempts to get the economy moving forward again has worked.

The economic advisors he brought with him to the White House 32 months ago have all departed and now he is like a captain without a crew or a rudder in the water with which to steep his ship of state.

"There is a distinctly Titanic-like feel to the Obama presidency and it’s not hard to see why. The most left-wing president in modern American history has tried to force a highly interventionist, government-driven agenda that runs counter to the principles of free enterprise, individual freedom, and limited government that have made the United States the greatest power in the world, and the freest nation on earth."

"Now even liberals are trying to put their finger on what is wrong with President Barack Obama. Does he lack leadership abilities or competence? Is he arrogant and out of touch with America? Is he a pleaser first and foremost, rather than someone who cares about getting the job done? Does he not understand how the economy works? “‘Yes, we can!’ has devolved into ‘Hey, we might,’” Maureen Dowd wrote in The New York Times."

Most of us just wish he would stay at his work station long enough to come up with a credible and workable plan to solve our lingering economic problems.



Mr. President, 408,000 more Americas are out of work this week than last week and our core inflation rate has unexpectedly risen to 2.0%. Why are you going on vacation? Please, please stay in Washington and work on our economy!

 

Once again, you are very correct, hoytmonger.



And the clueless Democrats wonder why our national economy cannot lift off and once again and soar to new heights! Before we worry about other distractions, let's first concern ourselves with the Congressional policies that are really holding our economy back and preventing it from actually improving!

 

That isn't what I said or implied; it was something else. And that is the problem with many thinking as you do today, you leave many important and HUMAN factors out of your thinking. It's as though you care more for the mechanisms of money, than the effects of what is done with the money.

 

Lol, they have not been correct all along at all. All they say is that bubbles and bust happens and then they complain about the dollar.

Peter Schiff lost a crap load predicting the dollar would plummet and hyperinflation would occur. They have been crying about hyperinflation for decades. Their problem is they believe the dollar doesn't have any value because it's not backed by "real wealth", so they think the dollar is a bubble in itself and people will realize one day the dollar is worthless.

What they don't figure in to the situation is the dollar is backed by real wealth, it is backed by the goods and services of the United States of America. So as long as we produce, people will always want dollars. The dollar isn't going away any time soon, even though the Austrian's have been predicting every year for the past couple decades.