What do we do about Climate Change

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  1. DentalFloss

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    I've been hearing bullshit like that since the 70s, and not a single time has it turned out to be accurate. This time will not be an exception to that. But, I think you live here in Florida, if you are that convinced that it's gonna be under water soon, I'm sure you'll happily sell me your house for pennies on the dollar, right??

    You guys sound exactly like the same Chicken Littles that predicted the rapture back in 2012. I was so concerned about that it caused me to cancel my weekend orgy and hide in a closet at home... Not.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yeah! Why don't they sacrifice their Tesla and for the sake of the envioronment ride a Ford Fiesta that costs THE SAME.

    Truly the greatest obstacle to solving Climate Change is ignorance by guys like this. NOBODY has to give up ANYTHING!
     
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    Well, you're half right - ignorance is the problem. Didn't Ford retire the Fiesta?
     
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    Yup. 2023.
     
  5. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No likely with human beings on it. But, as I said to another poster, the problem is not the temperature. It's the CHANGE. We can adapt to any temperarture. But if it keeps changing... more and more people will die.

    I don't plan on being here 65 million years from now. But I do expect to be next year... next decade. And maybe my grandkids next century. And I would very much prefer me or they don't live in a world where people kill each other for food or water. Personal preference, i guess. Especially because it's PREVENTABLE.
     
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    That's a new one. It might be true if the temperature change was rapid. Its not.
     
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    Sure looks like it was accurate this time. Because it's happening!
     
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    Anytime someone (like Bill Gates for example) can buy "carbon credits" and that somehow is fine with the fake global warming pushers....you know it's just another bullshit scam. Nevertheless, it was warmer in the 1930's and we had exponentially less carbon in the atmosphere.

    58 seconds in "climate experts believe"...



    settled science in 1978
     
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    And replaced by a fully electric equivalent (the Puma),. Oh, the humanity! WHY do liberals want us to make such a horrible sacrifice??? WHY!!!!
     
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    Are EV sales declining? Electrifying the car ... - USA Today
    “Many new vehicle shoppers are becoming more adamant about their decision to not consider an EV for their next purchase,” JD Power said.
     
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    So you're complaining because you can't buy carbon credits to offset the carbon emissions from your private jet, like Bill Gates can?

    Dear God! Your posts may not be the smartest, but they do provide material for the funniest jokes!.
     
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    I can't help it if you don't have the mental capability to understand the issue.
     
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    In that case, why haven't you fled Florida for high ground?
     
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    LOL.


    The temperature in New England USA is rising as faster than most places on earth.

    https://www.mdpi.com/2225-1154/9/12/176/htm


    Yet when we look at the future under RCP 8.5 in New England we project more healthcare needed but fewer overall deaths towards the end of this century. I can’t get others to answer this question. Do you think LESS net mortality is a good thing?

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5980746/#:~:text=This approach also assumes that,to increased adaptation to heat.

    So an area with some of the fastest climate change on the planet, and warming will still be saving over 200 lives annually in the tiny state of RI under RCP 8.5 at the turn of the century! Science is so much more interesting than people’s unsubstantiated opinions!
     
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    They really don't care. They'll plan and plan, and impose and impose, and when their plans don;t work and instead make things worse, wrecking peoples' lives, they'll respond "Well that didn't work, oh well." They do';t know what they're doing and are going to mess things up.
     
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    Sea level has risen more than 400 feet in the last approximately 20,000 putting most of human activity at that point under water. How did people respond? They adapted and moved. So the sea is going to rise a few feet more. Big deal, get over it.
     
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    Exactly.

    Part of life is the ability to improvise, adapt, and overcome, and for people who are unable to do that, they will generally get left in the dust. If Florida starts sinking, I'll be disappointed and surprised, but, it'll just mean I have to move, maybe. My home is almost 80' above MSL, so it will take some serious sea level increases in a very short amount of time (geologically speaking), which I find highly unlikely in the extreme. Of course, it may leave my neighborhood on it's own private island, which will leave us lots of options, including selling the land at extremely inflated prices to a resort developer to make an island destination to vacation and party in, of course I would include a room for life in the price of mine...

    But a slow motion rise of sea levels is not going to endanger the future of mankind worldwide, it will just mean some people will have to pack up and move (likely centuries from now), and the coastlines will be displaced compared with what they are now, but given the realities of plate tectonics, that is inevitable no matter what!
     
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    Because I see that idiots who deny climate change are losing the war they wage against science.

    If history teaches us anything it's that, in the end, the bad guys always lose. Which is the SAME reason fascists work so hard to ban history books. So children don't learn this.
     
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    Here you have somebody who thinks that the word "Global" in "Global Warming" means "New England USA."
     
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    Which has nothing to do with nothing if your entire city is under water, which you claim will happen in the next two years. Like I said, when the limousine libs who own beachfront property (Biden, Kerry, Obama, Clinton, assuredly others) firesale those properties because they think they will soon be inundated and permanently under water, then maybe I'll care, but even then... Probably not. Because the only thing constant about life is that things change. Sea levels go up, they go down, as to temperatures. Eventually we really will have another ice age, just as was predicted to be 'imminent' in the 70s, so if 'global warming' can conspire to offset, delay, or eliminate that, it's probably a long-term winner. Besides, in general people prefer warmer weather to colder, except when they want to go skiing.
     
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    Nope. Someone who is showing a place with warming that is FASTER than global level warming still saving lives.

    Just demonstrating your claims about not being able to survive change are not based on science.

    Are you claiming the warming I’ve posted peer reviewed studies showing is occurring in New England is a result of offshore crabs and lobsters, not AGW?

    Really, that’s your argument, that warming in New England isn’t AGW? LOL. You are a funny guy.

    Do you have some evidence the warming in New England is not driven by or related to AGW? Please post something besides your opinions and logical fallacies.
     
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    Ha, that was funny!

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    It has to do with your question.

    I have said no such thing. Looks like you didn't like my answer and are now trying to change the subject. Maybe better if you thought-out your questions better before you ask them rather than later having to later desperately trying to divert attention by making up nonsense.

    You're mentioning people who can AFFORD high insurance costs. And, ultimately, even losing the house altogether. If that's who you're looking at for "guidance", and you're not in their same situation, you're in the group with a higher likelihood of ending up being screwed. Instead, take a drive up A1A and count the number of "For Sale" signs next to houses of people who CAN'T. One of my clients was a condo on the beach that is now uninhabitable due to beach erosion. It's being torn down, so the owners didn't have the choice to get any signs up.
     
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    And yet, none of that damage and devastation has any connection to climate change. Numbers and severities of tropical storms has not deviated noticeably in decades. You guys seem to thing weather and climate are simply linear occurrences for which a year or two of results allow predictions on into the the future. Sorry, climate, and therefore weather is anything BUT a linear, predictable phenomenon. It's a coupled, chaotic, non-linear system that evades man's desperate efforts to capture or control its behavior.
     
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