What form of government is the best?

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  1. Til the Last Drop

    Til the Last Drop Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I've only lived under a representative democracy, and it doesn't feel very representative. I would take a working class dictator over 500 store bought politicians. Sorry if this offends. Just where I am at. And no, I don't think Obama is this man, or any other who have spent at least 5 minutes on an Ivy League campus.
     
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    People will always have government, but only a government that is explicitly voluntary is legitimate.
     
  3. Valery Staricov

    Valery Staricov Member

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    I meet many people from Russia at English-speaking forums. If you from Russia, you have to know the quote from the novel Ilf and Petrov "12 chairs": "It need more cynicism, Kisa, (*)it is pleasant to people". It is my favourite principle. Simply I (*)don't love Marxist utopias and dreams very much, I like to see to things soberly. I am the supporter of scepticism.
    (*) (*)The modern political regime in Russia is democratic in a form, but oligarchical according to the contents. (*)Putin rules (*)the fourth term today already and there is an one-party system led by "United (*)Rossia" party. Monopolies led by oligarchs exist in economy of Russia. Threat of the Chechen terrorism and threat of disintegration of Russia are the reasons of that Russian people are compelled to suffer the actual oligarchy in policy of Russia. Russian people are afraid that multi-party system will lead to disintegration of Russia. (*)It is possible to explain existence of monopolies and oligarchs in economy of Russia (*)that the market competition (*)managed to develop in Russia not everywhere still because of youth of the Russian capitalism.
     
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    I would go with philosopher-kings...
     
  5. Watchman

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    U.S. Constitutional Government, and Old School American Republic, what our Founding Father's had in mind, NOT the global fascist crap we have today.

    Our Founding Fathers are rolling in their graves!!!

    It's NOT about race or color, it's about the Constitution, STUPID!!!
     
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    Best government is self government .
    A down to top system where local community is the supreme authority and a central / transregional / national government plays a supervising role while economy is built under socialist standards .
    If you like the idea i can expand :)
     
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    Not even necessary, just repeal the 17th Amendment.
     
  8. RedRepublic

    RedRepublic Banned at Members Request

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    The term Utopian has connotations with being unrealistic and unscientific - we reject both of those connotations. We genuinely want to make things better by using a scientific approach, as I would've imagined you would have realized from his post.
     
  9. Sophocles

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    You apparently are young. Life as it is today, is much different that even 30 years ago in the U.S. Our government is very much out of control. 55 years ago, I lived in a very small town, and could hitch hike to the surrounding towns and back (even at night). Today, it is not safe to do (even during the day)! Then you did not have to lock your doors. Today, your home is not safe with locked doors. The problems that exist today are not due to our type of government, but to the failure of its citizens to guard around the legacy of our Constitution. Our basic rights have been eroded and usurped to the point that we are wary of "offending" another resulting in a lawsuit. Our Constitution was never meant to be a device to prevent personal insults! You want to see how a representative republic is suppose to work? Help restore the Republic to the founders' vision! You will be amazed! Track from the 15th century through the 1950's. From 1492, the colonies were at a very serious disadvantage. As early history progressed we fought many wars, still behind other nations in the world. We even fought a and won against all odds, and created (on the second try) our current Constitution. That constitution has lasted 236 years. By the 1800's the U.S. was well on its way to being the leading economy of the world until 2008 - 2010 where we have slipped to 2nd (or maybe third), and which we are potentially poised to be fourth in the not too distant future! We have strayed to far from the founders' model. Return to the founders' principles (a proven path for 200+ years), and we again will be a prosperous and growing economy!
     
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    Every fascist leader was supposed to be a philosopher king.

    I think I'll pass.
     
  11. Valery Staricov

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    We Russian, would like to have your problems today. We, Russian, can dream only, still, about quality of your American representative democracy.
     
  12. Valery Staricov

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    Socialist standards is utopia. It doesn't need to be continued.
     
  13. Valery Staricov

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    Unlike utopians, I try to create models of society which reflect truth. My models should reflect arrangement of society more precisely. I don't aspire to improve society as it isn't possible in principle. In my opinion, society is constructed on the conflicts for the status of the controler, for a place under the sun, for wealth, prestige and the power. And I consider utopians as storytellers, liars and mentally ill people.
     
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    Best form of Government is if I could somehow pull off a coup and become dictator. I'd totally take care of Wynona Rider for good.
     
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    Russia is officially a representative democracy, how's that going for you?

    In America the capitalists make small token concessions because they're already so wealthy and it's a good way to keep the workers complacent. Watch when the next economic crisis occurs, they'll drop it all with the excuse of "dealing with the crisis" - the quality of life in America will drop dramatically.

    The Russian complacent stoic mentality fostered by decades of being trodden on is one of the real roadblocks on the path for people there taking even a small piece of the pie back. The real power of the people in on the streets and in the workplaces with class warfare, strikes, sit-ins and the like - not the facade of "representative democracy".
     
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    Thats an easy one! The smallest one you can find! Live free! This thread can be closed now. Next?
     
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    Did i say that i'm marxist utopianist? No. I've said all as you-there's oligarchy in Russia. They controls the Kremlin,business and more others. Am i dreamer? May be. It's only because i imagine sometimes that the russians will take europian model of civilization (i'm sorry for my bad english).
     
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    truthers and anti fascsits liek tea aprty are corect that given purere capitalism and less welfare we would all enjoy lower price cheaper to produce goods and live much better

    that being said I think the nazis did make the trains run on time
     
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    amen brother!!!!

    china is kicing ass because regulations low

    when dont have moral sneeks liek democrats filling the bilges you can get stuff done without th eillogic of groupthink

    and china execute people for tryign what our fed does nonstop

    aka printing themselves up trillions of free money and giving it to thier friedns to suposedly help poorest lol

    beswt way help poor? give them the cash

    not to your wife sons (*)(*)(*)(*)ty over paid gov crony communism corp
     
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    Representative democracy not so much because its the best system (it might be it might not) but at this point for the political capital that comes with being associated as one. I'm a constructivist, so I don't think there is one right answer.
     
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    The best form of government is one where each citizen gives in writing (and can withdraw) his explicit, individual consent to be governed.
     
  22. optura

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    You'll never know the answer until you ask. Decisions must be connected with knowledge. Knowledge can be obtained from data. Using the data will lead to experience and so forth. Back to square one - no data available nor sought.

    The rhetorical answer exists; this government is the best that has the biggest support.
     
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    you are on the right path to participatory democracy - giving political class a chance to be useful for the society
     

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