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  1. kriman

    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Although I hate the possibility of Putin taking over the Ukraine, it is time for Western European countries to step up and carry more of the load. They have a lot more to lose than the US does. I would like more of our tax money to be used to help the US.
     
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    On 27 February 2014, unmarked Russian soldiers were deployed to the Crimean Peninsula in order to wrest control of it from Ukraine, starting the Russo-Ukrainian War.[1] This military occupation, which the Ukrainian government considers to have begun on 20 February,[4][9] laid the foundation for the Russian annexation of Crimea on 18 March 2014. Under Russia, the Ukrainian Autonomous Republic of Crimea was replaced by the Republic of Crimea, though the legitimacy of the latter is scarcely recognized internationally.
     
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    I doubt you will not like what you will see. It is hard to understand your image. Trump stands for the opposite of Putin.
     
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    Exactly! On Jan 6 the Left destroyed Trump by preventing him from getting his dream job - the US president!
     
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    Exactly! Russia never invaded Crimea, never invaded Ukraine, never invaded Georgia, never invaded Chechnya, never invaded Afghanistan, never invade Czechoslovakia, never invaded Hungary, never invaded Finland, never invaded Poland and never invaded any other countries I forgot to mention.
    If there was a Nobel prize for countries, for sure Russia deserve it!
     
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    I think they used, and very possibly promoted the Jan 6 incident as a political weapon. The dems have a pattern of extreme flexibility in morals. That has cost them (as well as the nation) a great deal.
    They deserved it, the nation did not.

    It's long past time for integrity and honor in government, but the fact is that it only exists if we are willing to tolerate less.
     
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    As certain as Bigfoot was spotted the other day riding through the desert near area 51 in a pink Cadillac with Tupac and biggie
     
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    WRONG, Again!:bored:
    Trump WILL facilitate the ceding of some Ukrainian Territory to Russia...
    Trump's idea is "Land for Peace"...
     
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    Lol....no way she can lose. :banana: :sunnysideup:

    :salute: :flagus: MAGA !!!
     
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    I think both parties have a pattern of extreme flexibility in morals. Unfortunately Dems didn't convinced most Americans that Jan 6 incident was attack on American Democracy and Constitution. It was an attempt to replace democratically elect president with unelected looser.
    Up to Jan 6 I considered President Bush as the worst US president who started unnecessary Iraq invasion, but now I am not sure what was worst, Iraqi war or the Jan 6 attack on American democracy.
     
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    My friend was less than partially wrong - he was right, Bush is an idiot and Russia invaded Ukraine and Georgia, but Russia did not invade other neighbors countries: Norway, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Belarus, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, China, Mongolia and North Korea - yet?
     
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    your blaming the left for the actions of MAGA on Jan 6th? lol, if only the left would of lost, MAGA would not of done that, the left's fault
     
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    I believe the portrayal of the Jan 6 protest was grossly distorted by the democrats, it was a political opportunity to say the least, and we do know they had operatives in the crowd promoting violence and entering the capitol. When you are constantly promoting discensions and hate,and failing the people at the same time- there is going to be a lot of injustice; it's going to get ugly. The nation needs an honorable government and an honest media- both working for all the people instead of special interests and dividing people. If the nation is going to get back to good health, we must move in that direction.
     
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    No, I'm blamiing the left for the distortions and the frame job they made of Jan 6. They saw a political opportunity; they used it to promote discension, divide the people and generate political hate to get political advantages.
     
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    You have the right to believe that Jan 6 attack on American democracy and American Constitution was grossly distorted by the democrats and Trump was too stupid to end it in 5 minutes instead to wait for 3 hours, but I see it differently. I see that majority of Americans don't mind to have strong dictator like Putin or Orban who wants to rule without any checking and balances without regard to election results.
    And what will happen if Trump will not bring improvement to the standard of living and in 2029 on Jan 6 violent crowd will break to Capitol Hill demanding that Eric Trump will became US president? Should Democrats again 'grossly distort' this process?
     
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    Ahahaha.... More links to wikipedia. :roflol::roflol::roflol:

    Wikipedia is a Source of Political Propaganda. https://battlepenguin.com/politics/wikipedia-is-a-source-of-political-propaganda/
    Larry Sanger, one of the original founders of Wikipedia, has openly stated that Wikipedia is clearly biased....
     
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    I think US foreign policy will be adjusted, but US foreign policy will definitely not be pro-Russian. Russia and the US are great powers. Therefore, they will always be in confrontation.
    There may be downs and ups of one side, but these are temporary changes. There will always be confrontation. And it does not matter who is at the head of the countries. The main thing is that the confrontation did not lead to the extinction of all mankind.
     
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    And you're absolutely right. Russians have always only responded to aggression. Or acted at the invitation of national governments. Like Hungary, Czechoslovakia... or Syria. And that's what makes Russia different from the United States.
     
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    Ahahaha... :roflol::roflol::roflol:
    Even NATO countries know that the war in Georgia started because of Georgians. They were the first to attack the Russian peacekeeping contingent.
    Also Russians started special operation against ukraine after ukraine attacked Russia.
    Chronology - on February 21, 2022 the Ukrainian army invaded the territory of Russia in Rostov region (about 6 am Moscow time near the settlement of Mityakinskaya in Rostov region). The Russian special operation began on February 24, 2022.
     
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    It is hard to predict what the position of the U.S. toward Ukraine will be. Trump's side of the political divide doesn't want the U.S. borrowing money to support the war. The other side values freedom for Ukraine over financial interests. On the other hand Trump is no friend of Putin. It is hard to say what will happen. We shall see.

    Personally I think the U.S. has mishandled its involvement in the War. We have supported Ukraine's survival as opposed to supporting what is necessary for it to win the conflict. It has been a partial support and a waste of lives and money. In my opinion we should either abandon our involvement or provide Ukraine with what is necessary to push Russia out of the country. Partial efforts always have partial results. I think Russia has mishandled it as well.
     
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    Russia should have started a special operation against ukraine much earlier. But! If you haven't forgotten, Russia in the 90s and 00s was, to put it mildly, not in the best shape. That is why NATO, despite promises, continued to expand and carry out anti-Russian coups in the countries of the former USSR. For example in Georgia or Ukraine.

    As for Trump and ukraine - look at his actions. What did Trump declare?
    - Complete the border wall
    - Deport 20 million illegal immigrants from the country.
    - Drain the Washington swamp, purge the state apparatus.
    - Clean up the aftermath of several hurricanes.
    - Restrict abortion.
    - Restrict transgender transitions in children.
    - Address the “drug epidemic.”
    - Fix the infrastructure (roads, bridges, dams)
    - Deal with the growing national debt.
    - Drive a wedge between Russia and China.
    - Trade war with China
    - Defense of Israel.
    Other than that, Trump needs to:
    - Purge the Republican party of the McConnell group, Liz Cheney and Mitt Romney
    - Keep squabbling with Democrats (the future head of the CIA in Bannon's “warroom” has already promised reprisals)
    - Dealing with hostile Brits.
    - Dealing with hostile Eurobureaucrats.

    Do you see “support for ukraine” here? Or can you explain how supporting ukraine can help solve even one of these points?
    I don't see it either.
     
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    - Complete the border wall
    - Deport 20 million illegal immigrants from the country.
    - Drain the Washington swamp, purge the state apparatus.
    - Clean up the aftermath of several hurricanes
    - Restrict transgender transitions in children.
    - Address the “drug epidemic.”
    - Deal with the growing national debt.
    - Drive a wedge between Russia and China.
    - Trade war with China
    - Defense of Israel.

    These things do appear to be on the agenda. Trump has said the opposite of what you believe about abortion. He is content to have it transferred to states. Federal involvement in it would now be unconstitutional. The supreme court has moved it there as required by the 10th amendment.

    A tariff is not a trade war. It would be up to China to engage in one. Their trade policies are far more severe that anything Trump has in mind. If they did they would be on the losing side of the war. The U.S. has a serious trade deficit with China. He wants to protect American business and motivate production to return to the homeland. These are the motives for tariffs by every country. It certainly is not unique to Trump.

    I haven't heard him address infrastructure. Conservatives in general believe infrastructure should be maintained by the owners of the infrastructure. Certainly federal government is responsible for its own infrastructure.

    Trump has never addressed Ukraine publicly to my knowledge. It is his supporters that have done so. Neither you nor I know what Trump will do. Possibly neither does Trump. Probably his agenda will change over time. That happens with every administration, even Trump's first one.
     
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    I don't think any of these things is important. The senate chooses its leaders, not the president. Liz Cheney is not part of government. Her opinions are as unimportant to Trump as they are to me. His attitude toward Romney is likely the same. Republicans and Democrats have always squabbled and will continue to do so during Trump's term. The UK and the EU are hot hostile. They are allies. There are certainly disagreements but those happen between all nations including between allies.
     
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    Exactly! Everyone knows that 1939 invasion of Poland started because of Poles, everyone knows that 1939 invasion of Finland started because of Fins, everyone knows that 1956 invasion of Hungary started because of Hungarians, everyone knows that 1968 invasion of Chechoslovakia started because of Czechs and Slovacs, everyone knows that invasion of Afghanistan started because of Afghanis, everyone knows that 2022 invasion of Ukraine started because of Ukrainians, everyone knows that any future Russian invasions will be not Russian fault.
     

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