What Happens When We Stop Believing in God

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  1. Jolly Penguin

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    There isn't any, so long as people make the good faith effort to understand what the speaker means. These words have multiple definitions which can result in confusion otherwise, so that effort is required.

    And even that doesn't restrict religious freedom. It guards religious freedom. To have religious freedom we need freedom from the other guy's religion being forced upon us.
     
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    Absolutely. There are shades of meaning in common usage and in sources one might consider authoritative.

    Besides, delving into behavioral science to determine who really belongs to each group and how they make decisions is ridiculous.
    Exactly. Christians have been very interested in using the power and dollars of our government to push their religion on those who don't share their beliefs.

    Where is their actual concern about religious freedom?
     
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    Pee-wee Herman responses are typically the act of the insecure
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why are you claiming that I stated there was an effort to restrict religious freedoms in America ? Loopy do land

    Reminds me though .. a few of your gems I had yet to respond .. had not opened .. but was intending at one point to open and respond .. no need for that now .. as clearly you were lost down down some magic rabbit hole of your own creation..... nothing to do with anything I said ... but fantasyland it is :)
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Interesting point .. Stalin off the list of Atheist motivated dirty deeds .. now how do deal with Mao ?
     
  7. WillReadmore

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    In #457 you said, "So .. we end up at my definition Agnostics not so ardent in belief .. less likely to take action to restrict religious freedom"

    I'm asking what evidence you have of that.
     
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    The proposition is that Agnostics less likely to take action to restrict religious freedom than Atheist.

    "Assuming" one agrees that Agnostic definition "Not so ardent in belief" relative to Atheist is said definition being used.

    Do you have evidence of the contrary position ? .. or are you suggesting balance exists -- no difference ? if not self evident .. albeit with some use of knoggin required .. not so "prima facie" in legallezeee peeezzzzie ..

    A) B) or C) Self Evident .. ? Which you choose .. show teacher that you have tot about it a bit .. and explain your answer.
     
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    I'm pointing out that atheism does not mean that one makes one's decisions based on anything about a god or a chance of god, or any other related view.

    Those who limit religious views in the USA are at least as likely, if not more likely, to be Christians.
     
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    Go play in your sand box by yourself.....
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The idea/claim that (X)religious/cosmological perspective does not effect decisions on some level .. to a significant number of individuals within a population of such individuals motivated by X perspective .. .. is proposterous nonsense


    random unrelated comment - in some effort to bring theists into the equation goalpost movage

    Atheists more likely to infringe religious freedom than Agnostics is the proposition.
     
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    Sure. Theists can and sometimes do consult their religion in the way they prefer.

    Atheists and agnostics don't do that. If a person doesn't actually believe there is a god, that person is going to make decisions on some other bases not discussed in this thread.

    How infringement of religious freedom happens is a different topic.

    Don't blame me for your feelings of being infringed upon.
     
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    Oh 4 weeks an ENTERNITY!!!!!! Try not to be so snarky next time it can make you post look foolish.

    Go ahead run away.
     
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    ?? the part about -- the comparison was Atheist to Agnostic .. not to Theist .. gone deer in headlight time 3 now ... dat's all the strikes you get mate .. new batter :)
     
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    You haven't supported that as being any significant issue in America. And, I pointed out that atheists and agnostics make their decisions in the same way.

    You mentioned some sort of threat from atheists, and I'm pointing out that you are WAY off the mark concerning that.
     
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    "not significant issue in America" - correct .. never mentioned it -- as was not part of the issue being discussed .. no go away with silly questions .. 3 strikes was last post . new batter .. you go practice some more .. try to figure out what topic is about .. prior to opening mouth further. ..
     
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    The Nazi party did embrace the Christian religion. Religion is great for control. Hitler even made a show of going to church.
    Jesus was a Jew and the Nazis scapegoated and murdered six million Jews. Go figure.
     
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    Run away from what mate .. you havn't found the end of the rabbit hole yet .. fact don't think you figured out you are in one yet.. a "Prima Facie" rabbit hole .. of your own creation and own imagination .. hither to now :)
     
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    STALINS PURGES (that means murder)

    The main target of the anti-religious campaign in the 1920s and 1930s was the Russian Orthodox Church, which had the largest number of faithful.

    Nearly all of its clergy, and many of its believers, were shot or sent to labour camps.

    Theological schools were closed, and church publications were prohibited.[1]

    More than 85,000 Orthodox priests were shot in 1937 alone.[2]

    Only a twelfth of the Russian Orthodox Church's priests were left functioning in their parishes by 1941.[3]
    yeh he just slaughtered them
     
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    The nazi party embraced the religion of the german people, yes christain.
    six million germans.
     
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    Speak for yourself wil, I consult my religion every day several times a day and Im agnostic.
    Yep and that is their religion
    Maybe.
     
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    well if were left up the bird and yardmeat a quark would be a pickup truck.
     
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    I was attending church every day several years before I was old enough to know Santa doesn't exist. I had religion jammed into my head every day for the next 8 years in a Catholic school. I was drilled into believing I can never be good enough. I can never be worthy of salvation. And I was terrorized with tales of eternal torture if I don't obey. Either do what I'm told or I will burn in fire and suffer more than we can ever imagine, forever - for as little as missing church on Sunday.

    And even if we are allowed to enter heaven eventually, in spite of the fact that we are unworthy, we are still going to burn in fire as if in hell, for thousands of years, just not forever.

    It took most of my life to move beyond the crap I was fed by religion.

    It should be illegal to terrorize children with religion.
     
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    The Stalin regime feared the church, just as the Hitler regime feared the trade unions. It had nothing to do with religion. No dictator accepts any organizations besides him.
     
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    The Nazi party tried to hijack christianity for nazism purposes. They were successful with the Protestants, less so with the Catholics. Hitler himself wasn't christian, but he believed in a "providence", i.e. in a more abstract deity than christians do.

    Some Nazis, then and now, deny that Jesus was a Jew. They declare him "Aryan". :(
     

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