What measures are states taking to reduce high rates of firearm fatalities?

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  1. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    At least 17 states introduced bills this year trying to make it easier to buy, own and carry weapons, making their permissive laws even more so.

    There are more gun deaths in Texas, by far, than in any other state, according to data from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Texas suffered 4,164 gun deaths in 2020, the most recent year for which the CDC has published data.

    That’s a rate of 14.2 deaths per 100,000 Texans, but Texas does not have the highest gun death rate, however. Far from it.

    Here are the 10 states with the highest rates of gun death:
    1. Alaska - 23.0 per 100,000 people
    2. Alabama - 21.4 per 100,000 people
    3. Louisiana - 21.2 per 100,000 people
    4. Mississippi - 19.8 per 100,000 people
    5. Oklahoma - 19.6 per 100,000 people
    6. Montana - 19.0 per 100,000 people
    7. Missouri - 18.8 per 100,000 people
    8. New Mexico - 18.2 per 100,000 people
    9. Arkansas - 17.7 per 100,000 people
    10. South Carolina - 17.7 per 100,000 people
    States with the lowest rate of firearm fatalities:
    1. Massachusetts (3.4)
    2. New York (3.9)
    3. New Jersey (4.1)
    4. Hawaii (4.4)
    5. Rhode Island (4.6)
    All of those states with the highest gun death rates are among
    the ones with the highest gun ownership rates.
    • Mississippi – 50% of adults live in a household with a gun.
    • Louisiana – 48%.
    • Wyoming – 59%.
    • Missouri – 48%.
    • Alabama – 50%.
    • Alaska – 59%.
    Where there are fewer guns, there are fewer gun deaths. The states with the lowest gun death rates in 2020,
    per the CDC (alongside the percentage of homes with a gun in 2007-2016, per RAND) were:
    • Hawaii – 3.4 (8% of adults live in a household with a gun).
    • Massachusetts – 3.7 (10%).
    • New Jersey – 5 (8%).
    • Rhode Island – 5.1 (11%).
    • New York – 5.3 (14%).
    Presumably, legislators in states with permissive laws and the highest rates of firearm fatalities would wish to achieve the much lower rates of Hawaii, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Rhode Island, and New York.

    What are they doing to reduce the high rates of gun carnage in their states?

    Please refrain from emotional responses, hysterical screeds, and parroting ideological boilerplate, and dispassionately describe whatever substantive measures are being taken to better protect the public from firearms in those states.
     
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  2. lemmiwinx

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    Most gun crimes are committed by people with rap sheets as long as your arm. Keep these repeat offenders under lock and key and see how much the murder rate decreases.
     
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    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    If that were true, why are people with rap sheets as long as your arm far more plentiful in some states than others, and why aren't they kept under lock and key in those states?
     
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    How many times are you people going to start threads using the exact same sources in the OP?

    How do you protect people from suicide?
     
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    The difference between murder rates between states is that some states are harder on repeat offenders giving them more jail time and less time to commit crimes.
     
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    Don't facilitate suicides by permissive firearm policies.


    Again, what are they doing to reduce the high rates of gun carnage in states with high rates of firearm fatalities?
     
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    Has it ever occurred to anybody on the left that maybe some people deserve to be shot and killed?
     
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    Do you have any credible data that is the case?

    If so, are states with high rates of firearm fatalities lenient on crime?

    Why are states like Alaska, Alabama, Louisiana, and Mississippi so easy on criminals?
     
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    Who assumes the right to decide who should be shot and killed?

    Why do they so often choose innocents, including children?

    I'll try again: What are the states with the highest rates of firearm fatalities doing to reduce it?
     
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    Japan has a higher suicide rate than The United States and gun ownership is nearly unheard of there.
     
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    My state which isn't on any of your lists requires gun safety classes for hunting licenses and concealed carry permits. I am not sure though that the statistics are necessarily reflective of a causal relationship though. Even the Amish have guns but you don't see Pennsylvania on the top of the list. There may be other factors such as proximity to a trauma center. You get shot by Donald Trump on 5th Ave, you can be in an ER in a matter of minutes. You get shot is some parts of Wyoming or Alaska, you might bleed out before you ever get near a hospital.
     
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    This sounds like it might be an interesting discussion Natty Bumpo but first I think you need to define the term "gun death".

    Does that include murder, self defense, suicide, and firearm malfunction?

    Just checking.
     
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    Based on your claim that would mean states like, for example, Alaska, Alabama, Louisiana, and Mississippi are easier on criminals and states like, for example, Massachusetts, New York, New Jersey and Hawaii are tougher on criminals? Huh…I would have never guessed that.
     
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    Yeah why do Alaskans need guns anyway, the moose and bear are so friendly you can have lunch with them and call yourself grizzly man
     
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    Those that feel threatened with their own life or the life of others? People protecting their property and or their liberty?

    There is such a thing as justified killing.

    "So often"?

    https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/home-and-community/safety-topics/guns/data-details/

    Why do you feel the need to stop it?

    More than half the deaths from guns are suicide.

    I support people's rights to end their life if they decide.
     
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    I know ya’ll aren’t looking for solutions but my state came up with one to help in the part of the state most firearm homicides/violence occurs.

    https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/omaha-nebraska-cut-gun-violence-half-become-model/story?id=96799185

    Addressing societal problems in the community as a community seems to be working well enough even Chicago with it’s already strict firearms controls and high rates of violence is going to try Omaha’s approach. I hope it helps them, too.
     
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    outlawing body armor... oh wait....
     
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    Arresting and prosecuting murderers.
    You made a rather emotional and hysterical OP. Refrain from it if that is what you want.
    You don't need to protect the public from firearms. they are in absolutely no danger from fire arms.
     
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    They arent. murder rate has to do with the population of the state not the number of murderers in it.
     
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    Are they? Even mass shooters, which can include gang violence, less than 65% have a previous felony

    https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles...masses-details-half-century-us-mass-shootings
     
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    Then why is Alaska at the top of the list?
     
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    Hmmmmmm
    https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles...masses-details-half-century-us-mass-shootings
     
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    Extremely low population. 50 murders would make their murder rate higher than 600 in new york.

    do you not know how averages work?
     
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    Maybe because it is one of the states with gun securement laws

    https://www.kff.org/other/state-ind...0&sortModel={"colId":"Location","sort":"asc"}
     

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