What Men Want

Discussion in 'Women's Rights' started by impermanence, Jan 7, 2023.

  1. Maquiscat

    Maquiscat Well-Known Member

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    His mind's made up. Don't try to confuse him with facts. They won't register.
     
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    Maquiscat Well-Known Member

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    For all I'm supporting your point, you contradicted yourself. The king considered her image beautiful, but found her to be ugly. Which does bring up the question of whether the painting is accurate. But still, the painting is not up to today's standards of beauty, which makes the point in and of itself.
     
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    Don't let facts gets in his way.
     
  4. impermanence

    impermanence Well-Known Member

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    This is a comment that is passive aggressive [so it could mean anybody] and just plain nasty. Again, no guy would say this. And these kinds of "emotional attacks" are the number one thing guys really dislike about many women.

    Can you give me an example of what somebody said that would make them "incredibly ugly?"
     
  5. impermanence

    impermanence Well-Known Member

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    There's another thread titled, "Women Are Miserable" that you might wish to read. It has nothing to do with what you suggested.
     
  6. impermanence

    impermanence Well-Known Member

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    This isn't about you. What the vast majority of people believe is the key in this discussion. I am sure you could find people who like really bizarre things but [in this regard] they're generally not your average Joe/Jane. Beauty is something that a society more or less agrees on.

    Here's the kicker...generally speaking, if somebody is pretty out of step with the majority, then they are because of a philosophical reason. For instance, those who don't want to be wealthy. Or those who are vegans. Or those who drive electric cars, etc. Note that Prius's were really ugly for good reason! Now that electric/hybrid cars have gone mainstream, Toyota does not have to sell it [ugly car=being noticed] to those who must virtue signal every damn thing. The new ones are MUCH better looking.

    I remember asking this random woman once why she thought Prius's were designed so ugly. I thought she was going to have a breakdown right there in the parking lot!
     
  7. Maquiscat

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    That still supports my point. The majority of a population holding the same opinion is still an opinion. Beauty is still in the eye of the beholder, that is to say, an opinion. The standard of beauty is not the same for all cultures, nor has it remained the same across time. Can I objectively point out what the current majority opinion is? Of course. But it's still an opinion. For beauty to objective in and of itself, then it would have to be never changing across cultures and over time.
     
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    Nothing that can be known is eternal. This is why I am saying you are all or none. You appear to believe that something objective has to be throughout all time and space. What's objective is opinion, as well. Why do you think that everybody wears the same clothes or drives the same shaped car, etc.? People seem to rapidly conform and although there is a bit of latitude [subjectivity], it's not much. Here's another example...

    ...I've always been a fairly out of the box physician. I would explain things in context and many of my patients would enjoy and appreciate such [of course, this is our job!]. Many years ago, new patients would often tell me how wonderful I was because I approached practice in this way, and at first it was nice to hear, but after considering everything [and with more experience and the system becoming less free and much more autocratic and authoritarian], the amount of leeway I had to go against the flow, so to speak, was 5, maybe 10%, so at least 90% of what was happening was completely controlled by the medical system and the corporations that took over.

    People are incredibly conditioned to believe the way they do through all kinds of methods. Perhaps the most intense form of conditioning might be beauty itself, as we are subject to a relentless barrage of information tailored to result in specific likes and dislikes. After all, there are people out there who believe that wearing a bone through your nose is pretty cool [and really attractive].

    Whatever subjectivity you may possess is what corporate America has been interested in for many, many decades...BIG time.
     
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    Appearance is important to me and my wife knows it. But I can’t say I’m a shining example of a fit man either. I could loose 20 lbs and not feel bad about it. Maybe I just may try.
     
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    I'm not obsessed about it but I try to look decent in public too. I'd like to loose 20 pounds too and am very slowly shedding a couple of pounds per month.
    I am currently about 260 pounds and 6' 2"

    Until about 5 years ago, I've been extremely active with some form of exercise and working full time as a blacksmith seemed to keep the pounds off but old wounds, injuries and orthopedic conditions have made walking any distance and doing certain exercises extremely painful.

    I've also got artificial hips that are over 20 years old and the usual back, knee and foot problems that come from jumping out of helicopters and airplanes, boxing, wrestling, football, bicycle racing (and wrecking), 4 motorcycle wrecks, 25 years of blacksmithing and on and on and on.

    Anyway, since I've also broken my right foot several times and never gave it time to heal, walking even short distances is painful so all of this stuff makes it harder to lose weight.

    It doesn't help when your wife went to chef school, worked in some of Manhattan's 4 star restaurants and loves to cook great meals with fresh vegetables and spices from the garden.

    Still, I know that I could lose that 20 pounds if I just gave up those great peanut butter filled pretzels that I snack on after dinner but doing so remains a work in progress.

    As it turns out, I can resist anything but temptation.

    Good Luck,
     
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    OK I'm going to say this is NOT attractive. What am I missing?

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    What you are missing is the opinion of what others consider to be beauty. Simply because you do not consider such beauty, does not mean there are not others who do. Some look at dandelions and think they are beautiful flowers, while others look at them and think they are ugly weeds. For that matter, some see the use of tattoos as destroying or diminishing beauty, while others think it enhances beauty. When it comes to tattoos, for me, it's a matter of what and where as to what the effect will be.
     
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    So you find that beautiful?
     
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    Well I don't find her (not that. You are being rather rude with such phrasing) ugly. Her face runs close to lovely for me and for me the tattoos are an asset. But she's too large for me. I find heavier set women more beautiful than thinner women, but they are more typically in the 190 -250 range with sufficient padding, so to speak. But I do personally know people who would find that woman beautiful. And I am talking strictly physical beauty here. One of my long time friend's wife was larger than that and she was a most beautiful person overall and we enjoyed great conversations and games and such as we would all get together. Her husband was thoroughly in love with her, to the point he was a broken man when she passed. She fell under his standard of beauty, as the woman whose picture you provided would have.
     
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    Well I think we are talking strictly physical appearance as I understand the topic. I would consider her level of fat as grotesque, but if you like that, that goes to your point rather than the OP's.
     
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    Exactly. My point the whole time is that beauty is subjective in and of itself. We can objectively track majority opinion, but each opinion is still subjective. And I have seen people that I would classify as ugly, including the profile pic of a poster here (not assuming that it is a self pic), but I also know that others do see them as beauty (setting aside any gender specific labels of beauty). You want to know what the most ironic thing is? Even with those that I personally consider ugly or at least not beautiful, I have placed myself in others heads, so to speak, in order to try to understand the opposite position to me, that I can recognize what others might consider beauty. I guess it would be similar to looking at a man, such as John Barrowman or Sean Connery (at least up through Highlander) and recognizing the sexiness that woman see in them, while not having a sexual desire for them myself.

    BTW, for comparison, this is my level of beauty:
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    Nowhere near as large as the woman you posted, but on the larger side. The red hair helps too. ;)
     
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    It would only be fetishists that would find that attractive. Heavier ladies are preferred by some people but this is morbidly obese.
    I'm not against tattoos. But someone that's that heavy?
     
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    I'm not meaning to be prurient but I was struck here by the level of woke rhetoric that has come to permeate medical practice ('birthing person' 'pregnant people':
     
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    Yes, it has metastasized throughout our society. Simply examine the entire COVID fiasco and you cannot miss the presence of woke morons twisting any and all information to further their political aims.
     
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    Actually, he was considered handsome, and was, at the time, in excellent physical shape-most of his health problems come from the fact he WAS in excellent shape as a younger man. He was injured badly in a joust in 1536, a wound which never fully healed-and may have resulted in a TBI, which would explain his later mood swings.

    The other portraits were idealized, as was the era's practice. The portrait of Anne of Cleves that Henry VIII commissioned was not, the artist was told to be as accurate as possible.
     

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