What might anyone in Ukraine gain from the current war?

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What might anyone in Ukraine gain from the current war?

  1. Zelensky became person of the year on the 2022 cover of Time magazine

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  2. Joe Biden's image as a strong President

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  3. US defense industry gets most of the money spent

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  4. US public gets to feel we are 'still in charge of the world'

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  5. It helps relations between the US and Russia, China, N Korea, Iran and other countries

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  6. It strengthens the US dollar

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  7. It strengthens democracy in Ukraine

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  8. Not many in Ukraine but in the US makes the rich richer and the poor poorer

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  9. Other suggestion

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  1. yangforward

    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This poll is unanimous and allows unlimited choices and changing of choices.

    With all that money and weapons and humanitarian aid going to Ukraine there
    must be some benefiting otherwise the war would have ended long ago, or not
    even started.

    With substantial quantities of weapons going on the black market there's money
    being made and by the trickle down effect benefiting the whole Ukrainian economy
    and much of the humanitarian aid given goes into the retail stores and is sold there.

    I'm really hoping somebody has some hard info or even just ideas as to who might
    be benefitting?

    otherwise they should just split the country into Ukrainian speaking and Russian
    speaking and close down the war.
     
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    Alwayssa Well-Known Member

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    Your poll seems to emphasize what is best for America or the average American and not the average Ukrainian. For the average Ukranian, the gain is simply not to be living under the boot or Moscow. Period. That's it. The options you have in your poll reflects what might America gain in the war.

    Furthermore, the country is already "split" into Russian Speaking regions and Ukranian. But that is not the point of this war, is it. It is simply a backdrop on the war.
     
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    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You mean other than the obvious, - expelling an army of murderers and rapists out of their country?

    You have to ask?
     
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    What might anyone in Ukraine gain from the current war?

    Freedom from returning to being a Russian satellite?
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sorry, I meant the poll is 'anonymous', that is without names.
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's very true the civil war was already going on, from I guess Feb 2014,

    but on Apr 1 2022 Zelensky was told the sponsors of his war would not
    allow him to conclude the war with a peace treaty.

    and the reward of a route to NATO membership was promised for
    continuing the fight.

    I've read the war is about the right of a sovereign nation to join NATO.

    I don't get that because there is no right to join NATO, and at present
    Ukraine doesn't meet the minimum requirements to be allowed into NATO,
    if it were invited to join.
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So my understanding is that Russia advised Ukraine to
    declare itself autonomous, and neutral, similar to Austria's
    declaration of 'permanent neutrality'.

    The US on the other hand wanted Ukraine to join NATO
    and therefore to station NATO weapons up to the border
    of Russia.

    Having been through the Cuban Missile crisis I saw that
    from the opposite end and am amazed that Americans
    don't understand that bringing missiles up close is seen
    as a very real threat.
     
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    Well, Putin's plan backfired mightily because now Finland joined NATO and they have a 1000 mile border with mother Russia, and US military is already conducting joint exercises there with Finnish army. And no, no one was going to attack Russia even if Ukraine had been in NATO
     
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    the ukie rulers are getting rich, the ukie men are getting exterminated and the ukie women are whoring themselves out in the EU
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I left out NATO, some people have written on the Internet that the purpose of the war in Ukraine was
    to assert the right of a sovereign country to join NATO, that a sovereign independent country has
    that freedom.
     
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    Maybe resisting being taken over by Russia's fascist dictatorship?
     
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    And that should be their right. But Ukraine's Constitution said they had no immediate intent to join NATO. That only changed after Russia invaded. Maybe people just don't like military invasions of their country?
     
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    Freedom from Putin's authoritarian government.
     
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    I thought you were against Israel keeping Hamas out of Israel.

    Bernie and Senate Republicans Block Biden Ukraine Aid Despite Bribed Joe's Threat Of WWIII With Russia'
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    In a Bipartisan Rebuke Bernie and the GOP told the Bribed War Monger In Chief To Go Fornicate Himself.

    'It is the nearly two years of 'blank check' spending which has only served to ever-deepen American military involvement in the war, and this is what has gotten Washington into yet another foreign quagmire. '
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Can't we take his check book away?
     
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    "They're Saying The Quiet Part Out Loud": Additional Ukraine Funds For 'War They Cannot Win'
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    "A lot of this federal spending that goes to Ukraine is actually laundered back to the military-industrial complex..."

    How do we spend nearly a $Trillion/year on defense yet are repeatedly told that we are in danger of running out of everything?

    'the military-industrial complex thrives on the sale of "deadly munitions," which enriches shareholders, "some of whom are congressmen."'

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    Victoria Nuland was the driving force behind the war in Iraq and Ukraine.

    Will 'the people advocating for more war have ever apologized for "the killing of an entire" generation of Ukrainians who are fighting a "war they cannot win."'

    The Bribed Joe administration "prevented a peace deal and we extended the war, and we killed all these people," adding "And so all the ones running around with their little Ukraine flag pins, they’re implicated in that. Has anyone apologized?"

    To which Massie replied, "No, to support this money you have to be economically illiterate and morally deficient."

    Well, Bernie and Senate Republicans just killed the bill in a Bipartisan rebuke to Bribed Joe and the Dem Warmongers.
     

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