What Russia's deadliest nuclear sub could do to the US

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  1. bigfella

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    I don't see it as an attack and I did put my view forward. I simply don't see any point in arguing further. If you do then I'm happy for you.
     
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    to the above, probably.

    To Turkey, technically it is a ban on "aircraft carriers displacing more than 15,000 tons". I think this was originally meant to be a concession to the relatively narrow and shallow shipping lanes through the Bosporus and Dardanelles.
     
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    Yes...would be, it would/could get ugly with characters like him!
     
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    Yes...would be, it would/could get ugly with characters like him!
     
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    Thank you.
     
  6. Destroyer of illusions

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    This is only a piece of compensation.
     
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    1. Learn the story.
    2. Learn the laws of Ukraine and international law.
    Crimea was autonomy within Ukraine. According to the constitution, autonomy had the right to secede from Ukraine at any time. In addition, there was a coup d'état in Ukraine. According to international law, any part may withdraw from the country during a coup d'état.
     
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    Destroyer of illusions Banned

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    Napoleon had all of Europe. The result is known.
    Against Russia, with a shattered economy after World War I, a revolution, civil war, famine, there were 18 interventionist countries, including the USA, France, Britain, Germany, Japan ... and so on. The result is known.
    Hitler had all of Europe + USA (Ford, Standard Oil, Intel .... and so on) + Japan . The result is known....
    I hope I do not need to talk about all the victories of Russia? In addition, as you said, your relatives fought for the interests of Russia and were not fascists. Is not it? And if you do not care about the memory of your loved ones, I hope you remember at least the knowledge gained in history lessons.
     
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    Yah, sure it is.....the asiatic vatniks need to worry about Siberia....and caucauses, China is poised to retake everything east of the Urals, so they should, it was originally theirs to begin with!:roflol::roflol:
     
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    China has already bought the USA. Now the state of the American economy depends on the goodwill of China. But you are talking about Siberia.:roflol::roflol::roflol:

    Again. New York is only part of the compensation.
     
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  11. Dayton3

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    IIRC, the British own a larger portion of U.S. debt than the Chinese do.
     
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    The greater danger lies in the sub coming off our shore and the reactor melting down, poisoning our environment. i
     
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    Maybe you are right. The Japanese still have a lot.

    But if you go back to the topic. Today, according to the Ministry of Defense of Russia, “in the sea area protected from the means of reconnaissance of a potential enemy,” tests of the strategic unmanned submersible Poseidon with a nuclear power plant began.
    This drone is similar to the "Status 6", which is now on duty near the coast of the United States.
    It is a giant torpedo with an almost unlimited range of underwater travel, capable of delivering a thermonuclear charge of power up to 100 megatons to anywhere in the world’s ocean. Thus, it is currently the most effective "weapon of the apocalypse", at least in relation to coastal areas.
    Interestingly, the tests began much earlier than scheduled, earlier they were planned for 2019.
    In general, it is against the USA that this weapon is very effective, since the major cities of the United States are located mainly on or near the coast. For example - LA and Frisco in the west, New York, Boston and Miami in the east. If these cities are destroyed with the help of such underwater drones, the losses for the USA will be unacceptable.
    In addition, any “maritime” country whose economy is tied to export-import by sea is extremely sensitive to the loss of ports. Here's an example for you: the port of Los Angeles:
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    When a charge of 100 megatons explodes in this harbor - not only huge investments for many decades will be reset, the economic geography itself will be changed, because all the places that are suitable for building a large port on the coast of even the whole continent long known and involved. After the explosion, it will be impossible to restore the ports there for another 50 years - so the US logistics will change radically.
    And this is not to mention the fact that the instantaneous destruction of all the major naval bases will put an end to the American navy. Something in the sea survives - but to be maintenance by them then where? Autonomy is not infinite.

    On the photo "Status 6". Photo "Poseidon" is not known.

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    Feel free to use one of those torpedoes any time. The more than 5,000 deployed nuclear warheads the US has will then exterminate the Russian people.
     
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    I remember a documentary on the 1983 Able Archer Crisis where a former Soviet officer suggested the possible existence of such a weapon all the way back in the late 1970s.

    All Putin is doing is crowing about a weapon that has probably been around for 40 years. Just as he has bragged about the ICBM NATO codenamed "Satan 2" which are just SS-18s with a new name. The SS-18 was introduced in the 1970s as well.

    Just as at one time he was bragging about the "invincible" Topol-M which are actually merely renamed SS-25s. Basically mobile Soviet copies of the Minuteman III. 1960s era technology.

    Look it up if you don't believe me.

    Also note, if you knew anything about nuclear weapons you would know that the greatest yield ever achieved for a nuclear weapon is about 6.75 megatons per ton of weight of the so called "physics package" of a nuclear device. You know, the stuff that actually goes "boom".

    That means this so called "wonder weapon" (Poseidon) would have a warhead mass of roughly 15 tons. Multiply that mass times the mass of the rest of the equipment supposedly installed and it isn't really a weapon at all but an unmanned submarine massing in the 400 ton range.

    Anything moving faster than 30 knots (35 mph) underwater can be detected and anything that can be detected can be intercepted and destroyed.
     
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    Russian President Vladimir Putin praised the launch of the Avangard hypersonic system. He stated that Russia was the first in the world to receive a new type of weapon.
    The President added that the system will go into service in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in 2019.
    “Starting next year, in 2019, the Russian army will receive the new intercontinental strategic system Avangard, and the first regiment will be deployed to the Strategic Missile Forces,” Putin said.
    The President noted that the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation conducted tests of the Avangard, with full success confirming all the tactical and technical characteristics.
    “On my instructions, the industrial enterprises and the Ministry of Defense prepared and conducted final tests of this system,” Putin said. “It, this test, has just ended in complete success: all tactical and tenical data have been confirmed.”


    Your missiles will not even have time to reach the start..
     
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    In fact, back in the 60s, Academician Sakharov, developed and calculated how to destroy the United States in a few minutes. He proposed to place nuclear charges in tectonic faults near the US coast. Charges equal to 50-100 megaton. Such test nuclear charges was tested by the Russians. The bomb is known as "Kuzkina Mother". The tests took place in the time of Khrushchev.
    Now such charges are in the San Andreas fault and a number of others. On both coasts of the USA. In short, a nuclear charge is suitable for the displacement of tectonic plates, this displacement causes an earthquake, an earthquake causes a tsunami wave of an incredibly large size. This wave washes away everything on the surface of the USA. But that's not all. The reverse tsunami wave in the atlantic ocean destroys a number of NATO countries in Europe and the backward wave in the Pacific destroys US allies in the east. For example, in Japan and South Korea. Bingo.
    And do not forget about the Yellowstone Volcano. It is also easy to bring into a state of eruption.

    This is something the United States cannot do with Russia. Because the main territory of Russia is located on a huge Siberian basalt plate. And Russia (its main territory) is indifferent to the tsunami.
     
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    You do know ICBM warheads are already hypersonic, yes?
     
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    They don't have to.

    while it makes good video for nuclear war thrillers and an interesting topic on discussion boards, NEITHER the U.S. nor Russia (Soviet Union before) has ever adopted a "launch on warning" policy in regards to nuclear retaliation. That is launching a retaliatory nuclear attack simply on the basis of radar reports of incoming missiles or satellite readings. Both nations have a basic (sane and practical policy) of "riding out" a nuclear attack and then responding after evaluating the damage and future potential threats. This was made obvious during the 1983 incident when the Soviet officer (Petrov) played a role in the Soviets military command choosing NOT to retaliate with nuclear weapons when 5 incoming American Minuteman IIIs were thought to be detected by the malfunctioning Soviet early warning system. It was actually the sun reflecting off of clouds that set off the alarms.
     
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    Transporting 100 megaton nuclear weapons to the coasts of the U.S. (much less Yellowstone which isn't even remotely as dangerous as people suggest) would be a staggering task. The largest ICBM warhead ever built for the Soviet SS-18 is only 25 megatons.
     
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    This is true. But now the insane at the Pentagon are going to use ballistic missiles, as they claim, with a non-nuclear charge. This is the pinnacle of idiocy. Putin warned that if a launch of such a missile was detected, the Russians would not know if it had a nuclear or non-nuclear charge. Therefore, the answer will be like a full-scale nuclear attack.
    I wonder why the Pentagon provokes the Russians? They want to start a full-scale nuclear war?
     
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Bomba
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuzma's_mother

    And it is 1959. Now technology is much higher. Therefore, the size of the bomb is much smaller. But the bombs of the old size were easily delivered to the American coast. It was not a problem.
     
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    Translation: It hasn't been deployed and you're waving a flaccid dick around.
     
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    The proposal to put conventional warheads on U.S. ballistic missiles has been around for literally decades as part of the "global strike" concept. It has been repeatedly rejected for the very reasons you have mentioned.

    But it hardly really matters. In a major war, cruise missiles would be flying around like confetti. And almost every cruise missile in existence and almost every combat aircraft can potentially carry a nuclear warhead. You make judgements about an attack in the context it occurs.. You would not say "we're going to launch a nuclear attack" just because an incoming missile (even an ICBM) "looks like it might have a nuclear warhead aboard".

    That's the reason you wait for a warhead to detonate before deciding whether it had a nuclear warhead or not. Or you shoot them all down if possible just in case.
     
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    the bombs of the old size were easily delivered to the American coast

    You're kidding right? How? On a barge?

    Nuclear weapons can and have been much reduced in size.

    To a point. But when you are talking about multi megaton scale warheads there are limits to how much you can actually miniaturize the "physics package". It takes a certain amount of nuclear material in a warhead to produce an explosion of a certain yield.
     

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