What's Your Excuse Why Harris Lost ?

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  1. BuckyBadger

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    You should be, he was the better choice. It wasn't even close.
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    8. It was rigged (per help from Putin, Elon Musk, banking cartel, et al.)
    9. Voters are retarded.

    But we're told the 'economy' was the biggest factor. Americans will throw away their country to have cheaper gas & cigarettes.
     
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    American voters are lazy, yes.
     
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    You specifically said fewer mail in ballots is a perfect recipe for Republicans. That would mean that Democrats are lazy.
     
  5. Just A Man

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    Go ahead and begin your point-by-point discussion and see who joins in. You might be surprised.
     
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    I've tried. I've had no takers. I tried starting with Trump's tariffs. The only Trump supporters willing to even talk about that were those who lied about it and attributed their own positions to me. But I'll try again. Will you be the first Trump supporter on this forum who even understands who pays tariffs?
     
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    If and when and to what country Trump applies tariffs, then I'll be happy to discuss with you. I'm not going to try to have an honest discussion on hypotheticals.
    How about we discuss the border situation -- Biden's plan vs Trump's plan? We have seen both plans in action. Which do you prefer and why?
     
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    He's said he will apply them universally. And he's applied them before. But thank you for admitting you weren't serious about being willing to engage in this discussion. We both knew it was a fake offer. Thank you for proving that was the case. I'm not interested in your defection. You said you were willing to talk about a topic. I invoked one. You ran away and hid behind another. I will not chase such prey.

    But, to treat you with the same bull **** hands you've treated me with: if and when Trump implements a border plan, then I'll be happy to discuss it with you. I'm not going to have a discussion about hypotheticals with this kind of interlocuter.
     
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    Trump DOES understand the basics of economics, it's call 'drill,drill,drill baby!.' The economy stalls when you try to remove fossil fuels. Biden made a huge mistake. He even tried to fix what he did with 'too little, too late.'
     
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    He doesn't. He doesn't even know who pays tariffs, and tariffs are his primary economic issue. And we had more drilling under Biden than under Trump. You've fallen for the dumb ****'s dumb ****.
     
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    Tarriffs keep companies like John Deere from closing their American manufacturing and moving to Mexico. Tariffs can be used for leverage in negotiations as well.
     
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    that's why you all lost-you figured people like Oprah, George Clooney, Taylor Swift etc are smarter than Trump, Musk and Trump's campaign team. You also pretend that those of us who voted for Trump are less intelligent than all those enlightened sanctimonious liberal elites.
     
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    The Democrat party has been infiltrated by far left Marxists. Like all Marxists, they wish to overturn existing governments by chipping away at their foundational principles. The Democrat party has taken over the already left leaning legacy media so, they can make up stories out of partial facts. This element of the Democrat party is funded by George Soros, leftist foundations and rich, rabidly leftist celebrities.

    Unfortunately for them, they started believing their own fairy 'orange monster' stories and either forgot or were ignorant of the fact that their viewership is less than Fox and many podcasts. The old legacy, DNC-controlled media is dying. This is the beginning of their death as they exist.
     
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    Trump was gifted a strong economy and low inflation from 8 years of Obama, who brought the US out of the great stock market crash of 2008. Trump was able to not screw it up until the pivotal year of 2020. There was a Covid pandemic that Trump mismanaged so badly, that it was twice as bad as it had to be. Trump doubled the Covid cases and Covid deaths through his Trump Covid Clown Show. He killed more Americans than WW2 did! The US still ranks as the 17th WORST nation in the world, out of over 200 nations, in PER CAPITA COVID DEATHS.

    COVID-19 pandemic death rates by country - Wikipedia

    This caused the high inflation to appear AFTER TRUMP LEFT OFFICE. Broken supply chains resulted in a peak of US inflation of 9% in the middle of 2022. Then Biden brought inflation down to currently 2.4%. Trump made the inflation mess, Biden cleaned up Trump's mess. Trump got out of office, and blamed Biden for it. Then Trump kept blaming the inflation in Biden, almost daily for the last 3 years. Suckers believed his lies.

    Also, Biden and Harris really blew the border issue. They should have acted serious about it and appear a dozen different times along the southern border with press conferences asking the border personnel there "WHAT DO YOU NEED?" Harris didn't do that, so she lost the election.
     
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    So voting for a tin-pot dictator was a smart move?

    By the way, those celebrities you listed are meaningless to me, and irrelevant to the discussion. Still, they're smart enough to recognize a dictator when they see one. One can be an arrogant elitist celebrity, yet acknowledge that there's no room for a dictator in America.
     
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    I don't know what you are talking about. It's the democrats who push for the same stuff dictators want. You keep spouting that stuff and people like you will keep losing elections.
     
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    she's pretty well finished as a national player. she proved what we all knew-she's not real smart and she has whacky ideas
     
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    1) Agreed
    2) Agreed
    3) Agreed
    4) Biden had more covid deaths under his administration than Trump. And he had a vaccine at the start of his administration for it. Also there were not +1 million covid deaths under the Trump administration. There were 350,831. LINK: 2020 Final Death Statistics: COVID-19 as an Underlying Cause of Death vs. Contributing Cause The only way you'd get "+1 million" is if you included the deaths that happened under the Biden Administration.
    5) What you ignore is that the Biden Administration ALSO gave out a inflationary covid stimuli. It also ignores that those stimulus packages were not the only things that contributed to the inflation.
    6) People don't look at or care about 6% inflation vs 2.5% inflation numbers. They care about what they are spending. And right now they are spending at least twice as much at the grocery store than they were under Trump. That is what they're looking at. Not manipulated numbers. Trump campaigned on the numbers that regular people are looking at. While Dems insisted on spouting what you just spouted and pretended that is all that mattered, or should matter, to people. IE: they ignored what regular people were telling them. Trump didn't. Showing the regular people that Dems are disconnected from them and don't care about them.
    7a) Trump campaigned on illegal immigration. Not "others". Not "immigrants". The left continually tries to conflate the two in order to push the "racist!!!!" card. It did not work.
    7b) That piece of legislation was garbage. Not because Trump said so. But because it didn't do crap to actually secure the border. It allowed 5k people to illegally cross our borders per day before allowing a President to do anything about it. 5k x 365 = 1,825,000. Meaning 1,825,000 people could cross the border per year and a President couldn't do anything to stop it. It was an attempt to stop any future Presidents, presidents that wanted to secure our borders, from actually securing our borders. Its useless to spend all the money it allocated towards "securing the border" if it wouldn't even be allowed to be used unless a certain threshold of illegals (more than 5k per day) entering our country first.
     
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    It really is this simple. Trump is an original, able to play 4D Chess. But Bill Clinton is NOT an original. He's simply the best mainstream politician with monstrous talent in this area that I have ever seen. Had they been born at the same time, he would have kicked FDR's butt in. Like him or not, he was amazing at the game itself. And his mantra? It's the economy stupid.

    We know things should not be as they are economically now. Sure, Biden betrayed us. He said he wasn't going to shut down the country but the virus and then, once elected, with the clot shot, that can kill you, available, and the virus more contagious but less harmful, cuz viruses gotta virus, he kept the totalitarian grift going.

    Economically, we've been harmed by Biden's betrayal, even if those harms are starting to recede, we hold him accountable and Kamala couldn't and didn't distance herself from this betrayal.

    And so, she lost to someone saying, "had the left not fortified 2020, with its 16 million fewer votes in 2024 without the virus grift aiding them, the economy would be better."

    Rather than cut our dicks off and dressing up as girls, men might marry women, have children, families, communities and a nation that doesn't need to import people to replace us in an economy in which one can actually buy a home.

    She offered a totalitarian fantasy for weirdos. And she lost.
     
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    She had more qualifications than your gameshow host did.
     
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    I am not looking for excuses - nor will I offer any. It is now clear that the majority of Americans want a criminal to lead us. They want to take away the rights of women. They want to hunt down those who don't look like them. And they care very little for the least of us. In the end, we got the government we deserve.
     
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    Harris lost for many reasons. She is a poor speaker who didn't do well in her frun at the primary last time, was installed as candidate without an open primary, spoke in word salad, etc. But most importantly, she is an establishment hack. People want change and she is more of the same.

    Biden was a fluke. The last real opportunity to turn the country around and take it to the left was Bernie Sanders. Had he not been repeatedly screwed over by his own party you could have a very different country today. The "Democratic party" insiders put themselves ahead of the good of the country and people are sick of it. They did it and do it to anyone not in their corrupt little insider club, including Marianne Williamson, Dean Phillips, RFK, Tulsi, etc.

    Trump is seen as an unstable unpredictable hand grenade to the system, and the only real chance at any fundamental change.
     
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