When The Russian Hoax Is Exposed, Should The Democrats Be Held Accountable?

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  1. TCassa89

    TCassa89 Well-Known Member

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    You can quote it again if you like, the answer is still the same

    No, I can't say that I ever did call the statement false, but feel free to refer me to the post of mine that you are referring, if you can
     
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    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Of course they should be held accountable.
     
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    They're not willing to drop it after the Mueller report repudiated them, so have no mercy.
     
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    So your position is that "We have 17 different intelligence agencies who are saying that Russia was attempting to interfere with our elections..."

    So all 17 agencies made that determination?
     
  5. TCassa89

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    Where did I ever say that? I only recall saying that the Director spoke on behalf of the 17 agencies, but perhaps you could refer me to the post where I gave that description?
     
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  6. Lil Mike

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    If you didn't say that, my work is done!
     
  7. TCassa89

    TCassa89 Well-Known Member

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    Your work? that's what I've been telling you the this entire time. If you finally understand that, then that's definitely a breakthrough in this discussion
     
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    If you have to fool yourself into thinking it was your position the whole time that your own quote of "we have 17 different intelligence agencies who are saying that Russia was attempting to interfere with our elections," was wrong, who am I to argue? You're right, your statement was incorrect.
     
  9. TCassa89

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    If it wasn't my position the whole time, then why did I post this?

    and this?

    and this?

    and this ?

    and this?

    These are just some of my posts within the first two months of this discussion, which all correspond with what I posted on this page

    Yes, this really has been my position the whole time.

    lol duh
     
  10. Esperance

    Esperance Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The irony in all of this is that Trump was perfectly willing to watch all of the Obama corruption simply float down stream right after his inauguration never to be seen again.

    And with Sessions in charge, no one would have ever known how bad and ugly things actually were under Obama. The IRS scandal and other situations of malfeasance were pretty much dismissed.

    But the outrage on the Left was so intense that it took on a life of its own. They wanted to destroy the Trump presidency at just about any cost. Even with the help and cooperation from GOP blue nose elites.

    So now, let them pay dearly for their felonies and outright corruption.
     
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    So it was your position the whole time, except for the post where you actually said, "we have 17 different intelligence agencies who are saying that Russia was attempting to interfere with our elections?" OK so you were wrong when you said it and right since then, and right, in this case, means agreeing with me, so congrats!
     
  12. TCassa89

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    Nope, as explained back around the time the post was first made, that was only referring to the Director speaking on their behalf.
     
  13. Lil Mike

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    Former Director James Clapper: "As you know, the I.C. was a coordinated product from three agencies; CIA, NSA, and the FBI not all 17 components of the intelligence community."
     
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    While I wish people would be prosecuted for Spygate, knowing that having the Democrats continue to defend it has absolutely destroyed their greatest weapon is ok with me.

    NOBODY BELIEVES THE MEDIA ANYMORE. Literally, no body .... except for Progressives/Communists of course.

    This is the greatest weapon the Left ever had and it is disappearing before our very eyes, all because of the Russia Hoax.

    Forbes and many other economics also predict that 50% of Universities will go broke in the coming decades. On top of that Hollywood is selling less tickets now than they did in 1991 ....

    All the Progressive/Communist hot spots are going down the drain and it is because they have overreached in the days of Trump. No body believes them anymore, literally, its hilarious to watch them continue to do it
     
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    Actually, he said the ICA, referring to the following Intelligence Community Assessment which was published in January of 2017,and not the joint statement which was published the previous October. This was already addressed with the updated fact check back in post #699 of this thread, please try and keep up

    https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...y-clinton-blames-russia-putin-wikileaks-rele/
     
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    Esperance Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    YES! absolutely... I want answers dammit!
     
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    So your position, in reference to the October assessment, is that all "17 different intelligence agencies who are saying that Russia was attempting to interfere with our elections?"
     
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    My position is the same position I expressed in post #1005 of this thread, and several others, which is something you should know by now.
     
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    So in reference to the October assessment, you disavow your statement, "We have 17 different intelligence agencies who are saying that Russia was attempting to interfere with our elections?"
     
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    Again, you are mistaking the October 2016 joint statement with the January 2017 assessment. The USIC joint statement and the latter assessment are two separate documents. You are correct to say that the January assessment was not written on behalf of the entire USIC, however the October statement was. Read the fact check
     
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    So you are disavowing your statement.
     
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    My post was a comment on the USIC's October joint statement, which was a statement made on behalf of the agencies that make up the USIC. If you wish to interpret that as anything other than a joint statement made on behalf of the 17 agencies that make up the USIC, then that's not really my mistake. If you wish to confuse the USIC's October statement with the assessment made the following January, that's not my mistake either.

    If you confuse the two and what they actually mean, that's not really my responsibility to disavow anyone or anything else.
     
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    The January 2017 USIC statement makes clear that it's based on reporting from the CIA, NSA, and FBI, not all "17 agencies." So if you are still saying that the January statement is made up of "17 different intelligence agencies who are saying that Russia was attempting to interfere with our elections," then you are still wrong as you've been for two years.
     
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    No, the January assessment was not made on behalf of the whole USIC, the January assessment is an entirely separate document from the joint statement made the previous October. It is the October statement that was made on behalf of the entire USIC, not the January assessment. Again, two entirely separate documents, the January assessment only speaks on behalf of the agencies who conducted the investigative work at that time, but the October statement speaks on behalf of the entire USIC, and not just the agencies that conducted the investigation. In fact, at the time of the October statement, there was only one known agency to have conducted an investigation, and that was the FBI.

    So again, while the 17 agencies didn't all conduct their own investigative work, the October joint statement was made on behalf of the USIC's 17 agencies. This was already explained at the beginning of this thread, but you either forgot, or outright failed to understand to begin with.
     

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