When will the crying about slavery stop?

Aw, come off your virtue-signalling "high horse", Edna. Do you want equality or inequality? You can't have it both ways.

If you want EQUALITY, like all fair-minded Americans do, then take comfort in the fact (FACT) that it is guaranteed to all of us regardless of race by the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Voting Rights Act of 1965. If you want INEQUALITY, then go on agitating for 'reparations' for Blacks, reverse discrimination used against people who aren't Black ("affirmative action"), hiring quotas for Blacks, and government contracts which are "set-aside" for minorities.
But ask yourself, do you really want to champion the cause of INEQUALITY? C'mon, Edna... 1964 was SIXTY FREAKING YEARS AGO!

 

You're assuming I was inferring. I was not. I am speaking about a set of facts that I have specific and personal knowledge of, though that is as far as I'm willing to go into it.

 

Where the rights of American citizens are concerned there should not be any special identity or designation for a race or ethnic group. In other words, as far as the Civil Rights Act and Voting Right Act are concerned, there is no such thing as a "African American community". That is part of what insures our total equality as American citizens. You should be honest with yourself and ask whether what you really want is equality, or something else.

If you want something besides equality then you must be one of those who thinks that one race should be given better treatment by the government than another, and that is just wrong.

 

The title of this thread should be, "How to tell people you are white, without telling them you are white."

 

Slavery in America was not race based. It was based on legal ownership of slaves who were enslaved in Africa by Africans and then exported to America. The offspring of a slave is also a slave, not by race but by ownership in the first instance and lineage. Thankfully all of that was done away long ago in America.

 

When are you going to give up your White privledge?

 

Go read the Confederate Constitution if you don't think slavery in America was race based. And there was no law saying Europeans had to buy the Africans slaves from other Africans. That was their CHOICE.

 

when are people who are failures going to stop blaming their failures on "racism" rather than their own lack of effort, ambition or talent?

 

What's to repair. They came as slaves with nothing. Six hundred thousand Americans died to end slavery, and they were made free. So do blacks want nothing and to be slaves again which is the way they began. Or do they want to keep what they have.

 

If you didn't get reparations under the 8 years and 2 terms of the first black president, you aren't getting them. Ever.

 

I love how Democrats want to keep slavery alive by opening the border to illegal migrants so they can work the fields for pennies on the dollar...

 

What do you call your assumptions about members of the White American community?

Who is "we", the problem of acceptance and normalization can be laid solely at the feet of the African Americans and their own communities and unacceptable normal living standards. Most people do not want to live amongst the crime and poverty and lack of jobs and businesses and failing infrastructures found in most African American communities, lost of African Americans included.

I was in college in the 70's also and the blacks and whites partied no differently and together. That was before the victim and oppressed mentality and blame the White Americans and the failure of the Great Society and African American families and the downward spiral the black community continues even under their own African American leaders.

 

Actually it got worse under the Great Society and the breakup of the African American families. African Americans are responsible for their culture.

Tell me how many generations do you think money stays in a family?

 

May I suggest you look up the word "equity" it has something to do with fairness and impartiality. You and others dismiss the concerns, complaints of the African American community as not legitimate, which indicates a deep lack of empathy.

You cherry picked a "fact" to illustrate a race was undeserving of the status obtained and I cherry picked a "fact" to illustrate that a single behavior does not illustrate a race.

So all social programs are wrong because people are being treated unequally by the government. You wish to stop Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps, housing assistance....Or is it you don't take the opinion that inequities exist for the Black community seriously. We should not address their group delusion.

Framing a race as having a lack of effort, ambition or talent and are failures is called what?

You seem to be out of the loop. The races are mixing more than they ever did. The Black community has made advances. It is not on a downward spiral. We have been over this and facts don't seem to matter to you. Your mind is made up. Now what would Mr. T say?

 

The word "equity" does not appear in the Constitution, but the concept of "equality" is found in the Fourteenth Amendment, which promises "equal protection of the laws" -- and that is exactly what I have been reciting to you, over and over, in our exchanges in this thread, along with reminders about the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

We are a society in which all United States citizens are, by definition, equal under the law! It's a rock-solid, basic understanding of who and what we are as citizens of this country, Edna. And, consequently, either you are for EQUALITY, or, you endorse INEQUALITY. As we approach the year 2025, it'll be a rare thing indeed to hear anyone shouting in favor of deliberate inequality, and unequal treatment of any citizen by our government!

As I've pointed out countless times, fortunately, it's been this way -- BY LAW -- for the past SIXTY YEARS!

 

Just look at the major cities run by blacks and even the smaller ones, look at the crime rates, look at the downward spiral of the African American family, the downward spiral in educational achievement and the heighten cries for white communities for even more support and money.

 

Major cities? Yes... and then continue with an examination of Black-run governments in foreign countries! Haiti is a prime example of an independent Black-dominated nation in the Western Hemisphere. It is 95% Black, is the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere, and its government (which is now almost non-existent) is wholly corrupt and criminal -- largely consisting of rival warlords of marauding thugs and murderers. It's gotten so bad now that more and more major airlines refuse even to fly there!

Elsewhere? Fourteen of the fifteen poorest countries in the entire world are located on the African continent!
Link: The 15 Poorest Countries in the World - WorldAtlas

 

I spoke of your lack of empathy for your fellow citizens earlier, that is probably due to the fact you don't consider them "fellow citizens" but a different class of citizen, one that does not merit your concern. That attitude is displayed in dismissal of their pointing out inequities, so nothing should be done about it apparently. They are prejudged by many whites, the judicial system, by banking, by hiring.....and not in a good way.
I have pointed out before that conservatives have difficulty with ambiguity. Things need to be simple, either black or white, equality or inequality, but that is not the real world. There is a rainbow of gray in between.

I think you may inhabit fearmongering news sites that gives you a warped perspective of reality and we've been over this already. Crime is down to a 50 year low. Blacks (under Biden) have the lowest unemployment rate in history. What is up is interpersonal gunplay because of weak gun laws. Anyone can get one and all the ammo they can afford. Also the marriage rate is falling for all races, especially among the poor. For more on that see Where's my Baby Daddy? thread.

 

How am I more equal than you? What right do I have that you do not? What freedom do I have that you do not? What can I do that you cannot?

Why are there African Americans far more successful than me in this country?

And please stop trying to categorize or stereotype me.

 

What ALL citizens of the United States (ALL) owe each other is acknowledgement of our mutual EQUALITY, and, the parallel consideration of EQUALITY BEFORE THE LAW. By contrast, you continually support the idea that "some are more equal than others" -- George Orwell's famous quote in "Animal Farm". You'll forgive me if I COMPLETELY disagree....

It is regrettable that you completely ignore the very necessary, welcome, corrective action enforced in the United States through the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

. Equal means equal... period!

 

Thank you both for illustrating my points; a lack of empathy, dismissal of the presence of inequity and difficulty with ambiguity.

 

While you're busy finding my faults, you might also apprise me of exactly where in the Constitution one finds the words, "equity", or "inequity"....

Should I have the right to demand of the Italian Government that they give me "reparations" because the Roman Empire took my Germanic ancestors as slaves? Face it! The 'gimme something' racist crowd in this country isn't going to get a dime until/unless they can make a case for reparations that makes sense....

Facts: Slavery ended in this country over 159 years ago! No one alive today is, or was, a slave in the United States! The last slave, a lady named Matilda McCrear, passed away over 84 years ago!

Make your case, Edna... tell us what your 'reparations' faction wants, and, WHY.

 

Thanks for proving my point. You cannot show how am I more equal than you. A right do I have that you do not A freedom I have that you do not. Something I can I do that you cannot.

Why are there African Americans far more successful than me in this country?

And please stop trying to categorize or stereotype me.

 

I see my points were accurate and they continue affecting your judgement.
Yes, do leave out the years and what happened after Emancipation (we had a Constitution then as well).
Well I think the NAACP can answer that better than I.

Well, you make it difficult not to stereotype you. Someone who believes that "the downward spiral (of) the black community continues", even when proven otherwise previously, is living in confirmation bias land. That makes ones judgement a little suspect.
Equity has to do with past and present treatment, something both of you are doing everything you can not to face.

 

My "judgement", Edna, is quite clear, unvarnished, and straightforward regarding the equality of all American citizens, and equality-before-the-law guaranteed by the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965. Anything else amounts to little more than obviously imaginative opportunism.

But maybe I should try to use the same kind of leverage that the NAACP has adopted about 'reparations' and put together some kind of manifesto containing a litany of enduring grievances suffered by my Germanic ancestors caused by the Roman Empire. With the right kind of 'guilt trip' to lay on them, maybe I can shake some 'jack' out of the Italian Government! After all, it'll only cost a postage stamp to send my reparations request to the Italian Embassy.... Thanks for sharing!