Joe Biden, who was essentially in his basement during the 2020 election, it's reported, got more votes than any other president in US history, despite pictures like this of his crowd size: Democrats on this forum and those in the media said the crowd size was because of COVID, and they were not voting for Joe Biden; they were voting against Trump. Trump runs again. This time against Kamala Harris. But this time Harris only got 69 million votes, a few more than Obama did in 2012, which seems to fall in line with relative population growth. Here's my question. What happened to those other 12 million voters? I thought that people were not voting for Biden. Right? They were voting against Trump. So, why didn't Harris get at least 81 million votes? After it, it doesn't really matter who she is. People are not really voting for her. They are voting against Trump, right? Isn't that the logic to explain 2020, where up became down, left became right, and so on? That explained away the unprecedented, such as Trump winning all but one of the bellwether counties, which are a reliable index of who wins the presidency, but still lost to Biden. Where did those 12 million votes go?
I never really bought into the claims that the dems stole the 2020 election-at worst I thought there were some states that engaged in actions that made it almost impossible to find vote fraud-if any was committed. But this election and the numbers compared to 2020 DO SUGGEST that something abnormal took place in 2020
I always felt something was off about that election, especially with the astronomical rise of mail-in voting, which has a positive correlation with fraud. The Box 13 scandal took decades to prove, and that was a US Senate election. If the 2020 election was truly fraudulent, it will probably take even longer to prove, at which point it will be purely moot, as the damage to the country has been done. Hopefully, Trump can reverse as much of the damage that Biden has been able to inflict on this country
Oh, yeah, I forgot. It's just, you know, this guy, Joe Biden, has been running for president since the 1980s, never making it past the primaries, and then, finally, he makes it as his party's presidential nominee, and winds up getting more votes than any other presidential candidate in US history. I guess, you know, I have a lot of questions about that.
Yep. You'd think that Obama would have had the most votes in U.S. history. First black man for President? People ate that sh*t up. It's no surprise that he won. But Biden? A guy with the mental acuity of a potato receiving the most votes in U.S. history? Yeah, something is up with that.
Exactly. It was very cultish the way Democrats lost their minds over Obama. I'm supposed to believe Biden got more than 15 million votes over Obama about whom this cultish, cringeworthy crap was made: Yeah . . . right.
I've been torn on this for a long time now and this past election didn't help me with this struggle. The way 2020 went down is plausible with the numbers. COVID was in full swing, unsolicited mail in ballots were going out by the millions often to folks who wouldn't have been bothered to vote either way, folks locked down with nothing to do but engage with various forms of media and get radicalized to "do something", etc. But then this election happens and the media went into overdrive with it's insanity to the point where they were screaming 24/7 that the US government would become the 4th Reich if Trump wins again. I have never in my entire life seen any single person even come close to receiving the level of coordinated character assassination that Trump did. I'm talking the country will literally collapse, all Latino-Americans will be deported, Jim Crow will be reinstated, women's lives will become akin to living in modern day Afghanistan, etc. Yet even through ALL OF THAT, and Trump being painted as an existential threat to YOU personally, 15 million less people came forward to stop the supposed literal amalgamation of the Anti-Christ and Adolf Hitler from becoming President... But it's also plausible that millions of people just couldn't stomach Kamala even if they genuinely believed Trump was the devil. Folks tend to view history through rose tinted glasses. This past 4 months was manufactured by the media and many folks tend to forget just how unpopular Kamala is as a person. NOBODY wanted Kamala in 2020, and if an actual primary were held after Biden stepped down then there is a 0% chance she would have become the nominee. Trump didn't seem to gain any voters, Kamala just lost Biden voters and it's possible that it was simply nothing more than that. If Michelle Obama had been running and got this level of low voter turnout compared to 2020 then yeah I'd be way more skeptical.
Well, but not to put too fine a point on it, the question is about those 12 MILLION votes in the 2020 election. You know, did they ever actually exist? If so, where are they?
Let me get this straight. Your argument is that 12 million people voted for Biden, because they were afraid of being killed by COVID-19, so they trusted their lives to Biden, who could barely talk during the campaign and who wound up with more people dying under his administration than under Trump's, even though the vaccine was developed in 2020, during the final months of Trump's administration? And then COVID-19 went away, and so these people became politically indifferent and just stopped voting? So, your argument is that 12 million Americans irrationally voted for Biden? So, irrationality was the key to Biden winning? That's an interesting theory. Are you still in the spitballing stage of your argument? You sure you don't want to wander back to the drawing board?
Harris got more votes than Obama, and he was a cultural icon. Yes, his popularity was very media-manufactured, but it worked, and he won both times, and the partisan passion for Obama bent toward the cultish. Yet both Harris and Obama received less votes than Harris and 15 million votes less than Biden. How do you explain that?
Yep. It does not matter how compute to he is; jut that he was going to force more Americans to get jabs.
"Where Did the 12 Million Votes Go?" good question, did Republican destroy them before counted? or did just less dems go to the polls?
I'm not buying that they weren't as excited about Harris. They're all so terrified of trump so they should have been coming out in droves even more than last time
I think these past two elections demonstrate that crowd size at rallies doesn’t equal votes at the ballot box. Trump had dwindling rallies towards the end of the election cycle while Harris was pulling massive crowds. Harris was down votes because people feel, whether real or imagined, that they’re hurting, and Harris by her own words offered more of the same.
Trump. As I said before I have never in my entire life seen anybody receive anything close to the level of character assassination that Trump did. With 24 hour negative media coverage the guy was painted as someone who needed to be stopped by any means necessary back in 2020. Nearly all social media outlets were controlled by the Left, Hollywood and pop culture controlled by the Left, etc. No matter where the average person turned they would receive negative press about how evil Trump is. Couple that with everybody being on lock down from COVID and getting unsolicited ballots mailed to their homes by the millions and I can see how way more people voted for Biden than any other Democrat. I'm not saying this is factually what happened back then, I'm saying it's plausible. Within the past 4 years a few major changes took place. The mainstream media went from pure negative coverage of Trump to just literal insanity which caused many folks to finally second guess if these clowns were credible. The sharp drop in mainstream media viewership displays this. Elon bought Twitter and allowed Conservative voices back on the platform in droves to counteract the Progressive echo chamber that had been established. The world opened back up after COVID, many people who voted in 2020 aren't folks who normally care enough to vote, they just had nothing else to do as it was made simple by the fact that a ballot just showed up in their mailbox even without them asking for it. Many couldn't be bothered to vote this go around. The guy who actually supposedly got 81 million votes in 2020 decided not to run again and put up Kamala instead. The same Kamala who got ZERO votes in the 2020 Democrat Primary because she was so unpopular. The Progressive's went too far in their culture war to radically change America and average Americans started standing up and saying enough of this nonsense. And also the Progressive wing of the Democrat Party is quite upset with the Biden Administration for what Israel is doing at the moment which lead to many of them not voting. Plus California is still counting votes because they take weeks to do that for some reason that we aren't allowed to ask questions about. The number may tick up. All of these are plausible explanations, this isn't a hill I'd be willing to die on by any means because it does indeed look "fishy", my house got 5 unsolicited mail it ballots sent to me in 2020 and I live alone...and I'll never be able to forget that happened. But it seems possible.