Where Is The “Climate Emergency”?

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  1. Sunsettommy

    Sunsettommy Well-Known Member

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    Apparently, they ALL find it too difficult as they completely ignore the CONTENT of post one article.

    It is the same in 4 other forums I posted it in which means a sum total of 750-1,000 posts where they NEVER address the CONTENT of the article.

    100% avoidance rate......

    Haw haw haw haw haw.......
     
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    And as for sea level rise.
    New Study Indicates North American Pacific Coast Sea Levels Declining From 1952-2014
    By Kenneth Richard on 16. January 2023

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    Sea level changes along the Pacific coast have not been cooperating with an alarmist narrative.
    New research reveals sea level rise has decelerated from ~5 mm/yr from the 1970s to 1990s down to about 1.5 mm/yr since the late 1990s along the Peruvian coast.

    Further, the entire North America Pacific coast has undergone “statistically significant negative trends” (-0.11 to -33 mm/yr) in sea level change over the 1952-2014 period.

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    Image Source: Jigena-Antelo et al., 2023
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    Ignorance is indeed a prison. Nobody in this thread is remotely qualified to say yay or nay to any of it, particularly that long thesis from McIntyre. It all seems convincing, (he's so confident, right?) but then nah. The unnecessary personal attacks and the fact that he's dumping this stuff on Twitter. I'll stick with ipcc thanks. I don't have, in truth, qualification to independently verify any of it. They all could be maniacs making it up, but the probability of all of them being maniacs would be one in a billion. I'll stick with the consensus as it seems to correlate with the increasing temperatures and it's from a broad range of scientists.

    I'm sure IPCC are aware of the limitations of their proxy reconstructions.

    You just can't remotely understand this stuff from an armchair. I know that being a scientist. You have to get out in the field and study for years and learn the literature, all your colleagues literature, learn the trajectories of the literature ect. But some around here thinking think they're gods gift to science. Bizarre.

    But I tell you what, since la Nina finishes, if the temperature trend demonstrates decline over the next decade I'll toss my hat in. I'm confident the opposite is going to happen, very markedly.

    So again, just to make it clear, lots of signs of global warming (even with La Nina). That's the major proof in the pudding.
     
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    Without the recommended-against proxies there is no hockey stick.
     
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    Melb_muser Well-Known Member Donor

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    Obscure recommendations from 2007 don't faze me. It's 2023 now.

    Glad you used the word proxies. There are a few of them and they seem to correlate.

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    https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2112797118
     
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    I notice you left this out and that the Author is Dr. Mann and his abstract is really poor did you even read it?

    That was part of the chart you posted, shame on you.

    No, they do not since they have very different resolution values between Proxies themselves and with the improper grafted on temperature data Dr. Mann's paper HS (Northern Hemisphere only) has been exposed as junk since he misused the PCR and that the Bristlecone data isn't temperature data at all it is proxies for CO2 effect on tree ring growth.

    His paper is from 1999 thus your argument that it is 2023 fails, come on now don't be this way.

    The NAS has already stated that Bristlecone tree ring data shouldn't be used for temperature reconstructions.

    Meanwhile you still can't answer post one article because they are unrefusable, and you know thus ignore it.
     
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    Mann's results are replicated by those who replicate his errors.
     
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    The real prison is refusal to think or learn.
    We all are, if we are willing to think.
    That's pretty ironic coming from an anti-fossil-fuel hysteric who uses the term, "denialist" to refer to climate realists.
    The IPCC reliably circles the wagons around CO2-centered climate theory when inconvenient facts show up.
    Willingness to devote honest thought to the matter is the only relevant qualification.
    Not maniacs. Just sheep. The probability that 90% of them are sheep is pretty high.
    You mean the increasing temperatures that correlate better with solar activity than CO2?
    They just ignore and dismiss them.
    Sure you can.
    Nonsense. While experimentation is needed for real breakthroughs, you don't need to know the field inside out to make a judgment on the validity of a hypothesis.
    <yawn>
    You're just wrong. Unless the sun continues to be unexpectedly active, as it was last year, temperature will continue to decline. This may not be reflected in the instrumental temperature record, however, as it has been altered and continues to be repeatedly falsified to conform to CO2-centered climate theory. The falsified temperature record is now the biggest barrier to AI-assisted improvements in climate modeling.
    Garbage. First, the 20th century warming was caused by the sun, not CO2, so there is no evidence of warming that constitutes evidence that CO2 caused it. Second, the "signs of global warming" based on retroactive alteration of temperature data are indeed signs of man-made global warming: the artificial creation of warming by changing the data to show warming. Third, there is no credible empirical evidence that increased atmospheric CO2 is not broadly beneficial.
     
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    "Proxies" that erase the post-Roman cooling and Medieval Warm Period, showing less than 0.1C variation in 1000 years, are clearly dishonest. Proxies that interpret CO2 fertilization as temperature increase are especially dishonest.
     
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    Hysteria reigns everywhere in nearly every aspect of weather prediction and analysis. Here in the Denver-Colorado Springs 'corridor' in Colorado, we have been in the grips of a no-nonsense drought since 1999, but when there's the prediction of as little as five inches of snow, TODAY the weather forecasters go berserk and act like as if we're going to get blasted with some kind of "Yukon blizzard". :eekeyes:

    But then, when this mighty, huff-and-guff 'blizzard' fails to materialize, and you end up with maybe as much as two or three inches of snow instead, the schools close and the government shuts down (or always delays operation for at least two hours in the mornings). It's complete fugging nonsense -- back in the '80's and '90's, any snow 'event' that was less than about five or six inches (on the GROUND, not the 'imagination') wasn't even considered worth mentioning at all.
     
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    Conspiracy theories and gibberish until proven otherwise.

    Let's see if the warming trend continues...
     
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    Well I, for one, am not worried about that in the least.
     
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    Good for you. At least you're honest about your motivations.
     
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    You can't make a conspiracy not exist by labeling its identification a conspiracy theory.
    That's already been done.
    It's already stopped. Unfortunately, it looks like we will not enjoy the benefits of a return to the higher temperatures characteristic of the Holocene Optimum -- although we are already enjoying the benefits of CO2 fertilization.
     
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    Wish I could say the same for you....
     
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    Let's see.
     
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    There we go...
     
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    First you would have to find a willingness to see what is in front of your face.
     
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    Translation: I have no counterpoint to offer just my usual dodge statement I bought from State Farmers Insurance.

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    Your red herring shows up yet again since no one is disputing that it has been warming since 1979.
     
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    A BRIEF RETROSPECTIVE ON THE HOCKEY STICK

    Ross McKitrick Department of Economics University of Guelph May 23, 2014

    Selected Excerpt from latter part of page one:

    A very brief summary of the problems of the hockey stick would go like this. Mann’s algorithm, applied to a large proxy data set, extracted the shape associated with one small and controversial subset of the tree rings records, namely the bristlecone pine cores from high and arid mountains in the US Southwest. The trees are extremely long-lived, but grow in highly contorted shapes as bark dies back to a single twisted strip. The scientists who published the data (Graybill and Idso 1993) had specifically warned that the ring widths should not be used for temperature reconstruction, and in particular their 20th century portion is unlike the climatic history of the region, and is probably biased by other factors.

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    5 THE CENSORED FOLDER section on page 5 is devastating since Dr. Mann failed to defend his stupid paper in his goofy reply to a question.

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