Where Is The “Climate Emergency”?

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  1. bringiton

    bringiton Well-Known Member

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    Wrong. It changes your "signs" into nothing burgers.
    Which are part of the inherently chaotic system of climate, and have been as long as the earth has existed.
    Even the IPCC admits there is no evidence for such claims.
    Minimum arctic sea ice extent has been rising for over a decade.
    No it isn't. You're just makin' $#!+ up.
    I'm going to tell you -- though you will refuse to know it -- that climate and weather patterns have been showing similar changes for many thousands of years.
    Yes, but the claim that we know how much additional warming is a bald fabrication. The paleoclimate record indicates ECS of much less than 1C, maybe less than 0.1C.
    It's anything but.
    The oceans are alkaline and cannot become acidic.
    I see no credible empirical evidence that the climate is any "crazier" than it has ever been in the last 10,000 years.
     
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    Pieces of Malarkey Well-Known Member

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    When in doubt, lie?
     
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    bringiton Well-Known Member

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    Third Rule: Doubting is not permitted.
     
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  4. Jack Hays

    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

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    It’s NOAA data, and your personal attacks don’t change that.
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    This year the temperature shown by the black line flatlined until April compared with the substantial rise in orange for 2023. It then fell more sharply than last year and is now 0.2°C lower.

    In the Atlantic, the turnaround has been even more dramatic. Temperatures have cooled quickly since May and in the central equatorial region are up to 1°C colder than average for this time of year. The American weather service NOAA notes that the high SSTs at the start of the year were the strongest warm event since 1982. The rapid transition from warm to cold SST anomalies (current temperatures compared over a longer past trend) was said to be remarkable. “Never before in the observed record has the eastern equatorial Atlantic swung so quickly from one to another extreme event,” observes NOAA. . . .
     
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    Doesn’t matter - it is a suspect source which means unless those graphs match what NOAA is publishing then it is mad up rubbish. Have you done an analysis yourself to verify the match?
     
  6. Jack Hays

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    Hurricane frequency and intensity have not increased, and tornadoes are down in the US. Arctic sea ice has been stable for the last seventeen years and ice in Antarctica is actually growing.
    Rising ocean temperatures have been driven by solar input, not CO2.
     
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    They match. Your ugly accusation is without foundation.
     
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    Durandal Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    All false. Why would you even imagine that solar input alone accounts for warming? The sun has not been doing anything unusual.
     
  9. Jack Hays

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    I’m on my phone right now, but I’ll be happy to provide documentation and links when I’m on my computer tomorrow.
    Shaviv showed solar influence on ocean temperature over fifteen years ago. Koutsoyiannis picked up the work in the past year.
     
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    Durandal Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/7-answers-to-climate-contrarian-nonsense/
     
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    Baloney. I'm living in climate change. I see the changes and the damage it's causing. And IO can't figure out why ANYONE would defend the oil companies and their destruction. "Partisan"? Since when is destruction of storms and fires and floods left or right?
     
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    Ist rule of the internet - if they tell you a site is pseudoscience quackery believe them!
     
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    No, it most certainly is not. The source is the University of Maine's Climate Change Institute. And that fact makes YOU the "suspect source."

    Clear? You are the suspect source, not Jack, not WUWT, not NTZ, not the University of Maine.

    You.
    While if they do match -- and they do -- it is your disingenuous attempt to discredit them that is mad up rubbish -- and despicable anti-scientific filth.
    Have you even GLANCED at NOAA's graphs to see if they match?

    Of course not. It's visually obvious that they match.

    What a pathetic excuse for scientific reasoning.
     
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    Ok prove it to me
     
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    "They"?? :lol:

    Some people will believe anything "they" say.

    Sorry, that's not how science progresses.
     
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    I am talking about “The Daily Sceptic”. Who/what are you talking about
     
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    I agree which is why I believe validated science over internet blogs with an iffy reputation
     
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    No, your claim is false.
    You made that up. He did not say "alone."
    Huh?? Solar activity in August was DOUBLE the predicted value!!

    Read it and weep:

    https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/products/solar-cycle-progression

    The sun unexpectedly became much more active two and a half years ago, and that high activity has continued. Didn't you see the news coverage of the solar storm a few months back? It was widely covered in the media, and the aurora was spectacular. Furthermore, cloud cover has decreased over the last few decades, so more solar input is reaching the ground.
     
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    The data. You know: that stuff you always have to run away from.
     
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    As every human being who ever lived has.
    What you don't see is any evidence that the changes are unusual, harmful on balance, or caused by CO2.
    The oil companies are selling a product people want, and I have already shown how they have profited more than anyone from the political constraints on supply.
    Blaming capitalism for climate change is definitely left.
     
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    Hmm... Just a question. After abating from an ice age, shouldn't temps rise? And if not, why not? Looks like the apocalypse you're worried about today already happened, in or around 12900 years ago. And just saying, but in the intervening ~11000 years, can you explain why this hasn't already occurred? I'd suggest that your version of this is far to oversimplified and absent actual factual basis for the prognostication you've made. I think there's a little chicken somewhere.......
     
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    The "changes and damage" are in your head. The data are clear: no increase in either frequency or intensity of extreme weather. The only increase is in hyped media coverage. As for the oil companies, they are contributors to the greatest increase in living standards and human wellbeing in history.
     
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    Please see the citation on the graph.
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