Where Is The “Climate Emergency”?

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  1. bringiton

    bringiton Well-Known Member

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    Prove it's actually from the University of Maine and NOAA, and not spoof websites created by climate deniers funded by the Koch brothers!!
     
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    There is no credible empirical evidence for such a claim. Ask people in their 90s who actually remember what the early 1940s were like.
     
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    cherry-picked sources to reflect the desired narrative.
     
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    I guess they were pretty primitive back then but I am sure they took records.
     
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    Meaningless fluff. For example, what does the bottom, dashed line represent? Or the Orange line? Or any other?
     
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    Nope. Sources are the standards: NOAA, NASA, etc.
     
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    Bottom dashed line is average 1982-2010.
    Next line up is average 1991-2020.
    Orange is 2023.
    Black is 2024.
     
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    Yes, and NOAA took those records and retroactively altered them to conform to the CO2 climate narrative.
     
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    They also recorded the changes did they not?
     
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    Right. That's how we know they took data that showed cyclical changes and turned them into a monotonic rising trend.
     
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    And then there is the education in the subject, which informs the research.
     
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    Indeed. That can be a positive or a negative.
    “Almost always the men who achieve these fundamental inventions of a new paradigm have been either very young or very new to the field whose paradigm they change. And perhaps that point need not have been made explicit, for obviously these are the men who, being little committed by prior practice to the traditional rules of normal science, are particularly likely to see that those rules no longer define a playable game and to conceive another set that can replace them.”
    ― Thomas S. Kuhn, The Structure of Scientific Revolutions
     
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    The emergency has left the building.
    Climate scientists officially declare ‘climate emergency’ at an end
    Climate Intelligence Group
    Climate scientists have issued a shock declaration that the “climate emergency” is over.

    A two-day climate conference in Prague, organised by the Czech division of the international Climate Intelligence Group (Clintel), which took place on November 12-13 in the Chamber of Deputies of the Czech Republic in Prague, “declares and affirms that the imagined and imaginary ‘climate emergency’ is at an end”.

    The communiqué, drafted by the eminent scientists and researchers who spoke at the conference, makes clear that for several decades climate scientists have systematically exaggerated the influence of CO2 on global temperature. . . .
     
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    Your appeal to authority is monumental. So, the climate emergency is over. Because you say so.
     
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    The entire "climate emergency" claim has been an appeal to authority not based on data. Therefore a declaration of the emergency's end seems fitting.
     
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    And yet, it keeps getting hotter.
     
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    Rising temperature in recent decades is not in dispute, although there reasons to question some specific readings. The debate is about causation. Professor Koutsoyiannis has argued that rising temperature (solar derived) has driven increased atmospheric CO2 rather than the other way around as in orthodox AGW theory. Professor Vinos has pointed to meridional heat transfer in his Winter Gatekeeper hypothesis. Professor Svensmark and Professor Shaviv highlight the interplay of our solar wind with galactic cosmic rays. Etc. etc.
     
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    More reality is being exposed as the climate policy hoaxes are being exposed. The referenced book is available but not available in Kindle format.

    https://www.wsj.com/opinion/irresis...ext=The publishing gods,taxpayers than others.
     
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    This, from you??!?

    :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

    Citing and quoting a credible source is not an appeal to authority fallacy, sorry.
    No, because there has never been even a scintilla of credible empirical evidence that any climate emergency was occurring.
     
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    And monumental waste of taxpayer money with the only result being doubling/tripling of electricity prices (Germany and California for example).
     
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    An improving global climate is not an emergency, let alone a crisis. Periods of warm global climate were called, "optimums" -- before that term was ruled politically unacceptable-- because warmer global climate is generally more favorable to life and humanity. If you want to bewail a climate emergency, wait until the next ice age starts.
     
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    The small town that I grew up in on the southern shore of Lake Superior was under one mile of ice during the last ice age. That would put a damper on economic activity.
     
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    The Planet is LOVING IT as the biota is getting healthier and more productive,

    NASA

    Carbon Dioxide Fertilization Greening Earth, Study Finds

    Karl B. Hille
    Apr 26, 2016

    Excerpt:

    From a quarter to half of Earth’s vegetated lands has shown significant greening over the last 35 years largely due to rising levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide, according to a new study published in the journal Nature Climate Change on April 25.


    An international team of 32 authors from 24 institutions in eight countries led the effort, which involved using satellite data from NASA’s Moderate Resolution Imaging Spectrometer and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s Advanced Very High Resolution Radiometer instruments to help determine the leaf area index, or amount of leaf cover, over the planet’s vegetated regions. The greening represents an increase in leaves on plants and trees equivalent in area to two times the continental United States.


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    The end of the Little Ice Age is not an emergency.
    Recent Paper Shows Little Ice Age, Climate Driven By A Number Of Natural Driving Factors
    By P Gosselin on 30. November 2024

    The Little Ice Age
    By Klimanachrichten

    The period between 1250 and 1860 is also known as the Little Ice Age. We have already reported on it several times here. The Little Ice Age was the undoing of the Franklin expedition, among others. In search of the Northwest Passage, the crew failed because of the ice, even though they had set off in summer. Franklin was in the wrong place at the wrong time. He paid with his death.[​IMG]

    AI-generated Image. Source: Klimanachrichten

    But what was the climate like at the time and what were the climate drivers? Volcanoes played a major role, but so did a minimum of solar activity. However, summers were by no means consistently wet and cool.

    A study from 2022 looks at this topic. Here’s the abstract:

    The Little Ice Age (LIA), which lasted from about 1250 to 1860 AD, was likely the coldest period of the last 8000 years. Using new documentary data and analyses of alpine glacier fluctuations, the complex transition from the Medieval Climate Anomaly to the LIA and the ensuing high variability of seasonal temperatures, are described and interpreted for Europe. The beginning of the LIA was likely different in both hemispheres. The low temperature average of the LIA is primarily due to the high number of cold winters. Conversely many summers were warm and dry.

    Important triggers of the lower temperatures were, primarily, the numerous clusters of volcanic eruptions and the weak solar irradiance during the four prominent Grand Solar Minima: Wolf, Spörer, Maunder, and Dalton. The drop in temperature triggered the sea-ice–albedo feedback and led to a weakening of the Atlantic overturning circulation, possibly associated with a trend towards negative North Atlantic Oscillation indices.

    The statistics of extreme events show a mixed picture. Correlations with forcing factors are weak, and can only be found in connection with the “Years without a Summer”, which very often occurred after large volcanic eruptions.

    We must always bear in mind that several factors came together in the middle of the 19th century. One of the coldest periods in the last 8,000 years was followed by a climatic counter-movement. In addition, the industrialization of the world and the massive use of coal began. Land masses were reshaped on a large scale, such as during the colonization of North America.

    This period also marked the birth of modern meteorology. During the Crimean War, France lost large parts of its fleet due to a storm for which it was unprepared. As a lesson from this, weather forecasts were made on the basis of data, of course in no comparison to today. However, warnings of storms were also possible back then thanks to the use of telegraphy. So a lot of things came together.

    A recent study on the subject found that volcanism was predominantly “responsible” (51% involved), but that the North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO), which particularly influences winters in Europe, was also involved and that the Interdecadal Pacific Oscillation (IPO) at the other end of the world was even involved (28%). In any case, we would do well to remember that nothing in nature is constant and romanticized images from the period before the mid-19th century should be viewed critically. So the next time we hear the phrase “before industrialization”, please remember this article.
     
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    I went through a period of great interest in the Civil War and recal battles being fought in very cold conditions in unexpectedly southern locations. The Civil War was fought right at the end of the LIA.
     
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