Where Progressives are going with the statue removals

She debunked the claim and dropped it. It was not an issue for more than a few weeks early on.

Trump made it a religion.

 

I quoted an official US treaty. You quoted the random musings of various founding fathers. Big difference.

 

Here's more:

https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/michae...n-or-jefferson-statue-they-all-need-come-down

CNN Commentator: Washington or Jefferson Statue, 'They All Need to Come Down'

Michael W. Chapman By Michael W. Chapman | September 5, 2017 | 12:31 PM EDT


Left-wing CNN commentator

Angela Rye. (Screenshot: CNN)


Attorney Angela Rye, a radical left-wing advocate and regular CNN commentator, said that because America's Founding Fathers George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were slave owners their statues had to "come down," and she added that America is now "close to repeating" the slavery and persecution of blacks of the 18th and 19th centuries.

During a panel discussion on CNN's At This Hour, host Kate Boluan asked Rye if the issue was really "about statues and monuments" or "something else."
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Rye said, "I think we have to get to the heart of the problem here. And the heart of the problem is the way in which many of us were taught American history. American history is not all glorious. I love John [Avlon, editor-in-chief of Daily Beast] to death, but I couldn't disagree more about George Washington."


"George Washington was a slave owner," said Rye. "We need to call slave owners out for what they are. Whether we think they were protecting American freedom or not, he wasn't protecting my freedoms."
"I wasn't someone -- my ancestors weren't deemed human beings to him," said Rye, 37. "And so to me, I don't care if it's a George Washington statue or a Thomas Jefferson statue or a Robert E. Lee -- they all need to come down.

"There is a way to recognize," she continued and then affirmed, "I'm going to finish my point. I'm going to finish my point."
"I'm not feeding into white supremacy," said Rye. "I'm calling out white supremacy for what it is. And sometimes what it is, John, are blind spots. Sometimes what it is, is not acknowledging this country was built on a very violent past that resulted in death and the raping and the killing of my ancestors."

"I'm not going to allow us to say it's okay for Robert E. Lee and not a George Washington," she said. "We need to call it what it is. I don't say they don't deserve to be taught about."

Sculpture images of George Washington, left, and Thomas Jefferson carved into the granite

face of Mt. Rushmore in the Black Hills of South Dakota. Theodore Roosevelt and

Abraham Lincoln are also carved into the mountainside. (National Park Service)


"We definitely need to learn about it so we don't repeat it," said Rye, "and we are close to repeating it right now. I'm not giving any deference to George Washington or Robert E. Lee."

Rye is the CEO of IMPACT Strategies, a left-leaning public relations firm in Washington, D.C. She is a former general counsel of the Congressional Black Caucus. During a CNN appearance on July 17, Rye refused to refer to Donald Trump as the president, and instead said, "well, he's your president."

 

So you don't think a politician could lie on an official treaty? I wish I had your trust in our elected leaders! Random musings of people almost always reveal more of the inner workings of the mind than official pronouncements do. Which do you believe Trump really believes, the "official statements" out of Washington, or his off-the-cuff Twitter rants?

 

Sigh. The Founding Fathers often held their true views private. What you quoted was public niceties on their part--fluff, in other words. Jefferson, for instance, famously spoke of "the Creator" in his public musings, but in private he was a deist. He criticized Xtian superstition in a correspondence with John Adams in which he looked forward to the day that the Jesus story would be regarded as the rest of the ancient world's myths. Jefferson held the view that the story of Jesus and the Twelve Apostles was a myth based on the sun and the zodiac, which he discusses in letters with Thomas Paine, who found the idea intriguing.

Jefferson, Adams, Paine. Three Founders who were Jesus mythicists.

And let's not forget the great George Washington! Washington, who publicly praised Xtian churches and spoke of "divine providence" in public, once put up the French nobleman and philosopher Count Volney, who was a leading intellectual and--oh, the horror--a self-described atheist. Washington was, by all accounts, very excited to have Volney as his house guest.

Anyway, the importance of the Treaty of Tripoli is that it shows how the US viewed itself in colonial times. A nation without official religion, based on reason alone, was so strange at the time that the Muslim world had at first insisted that the US must be Xtian, prompting this clause of the Treaty. If you think that the Founding Fathers were Xtians, then you are hilariouslu ignorant of these men.


PS

Trump's "off-the-cuff" rants are anything but. Trump is a conman who plays right-wingers for power's sake. All of his "bravado" is calculated to wet his followers' pants.

 

Well, as an American, I don't want Black Americans venerating MLK on public property.

 

Why is that? Does it make you think of horrible things like civil rights?

 

MLK was an important figure in civil rights. He deserves to be remembered.

My question: Why does Robert E. Lee deserve to be remembered?

 

Martin Luther King was gunned down. Like a common gangster. He attracted bullets.

Robert E. Lee defended his state and his part of the nation. Lee also caught the arch criminal John Brown who got hung. Lee had many years of active duty to the nation that sold him out.

Do we sweep men who did so much under the table. When do Democrats quit trying to whitewash this nations history?

 

MLK was shot by the very same sort of guy who would be on your side of this debate.

*mic drop*

 

We have a saying for the numbers who cling to a few things as were they the entire picture. They try to disprove Christianity in this country by discussing founders. Founders did not have the task of creating church. They still went to church. And they used Federal buildings of DC as churches. I believe that the capitol building, still standing, has served as the Christian church. So we need not play word games saying they were deists. Deists believe in god. That is most vital.

This comes to us via the Library of Congress so do not try to derail that part of the topic.

https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/rel06-2.html

This is just part of it.

 

No, I do not believe that. i am not Antifa who believes in violence as a way to protest.

There is no decent reason to saddle the entire country with monuments to King who stuck to a small part of the USA.

 

As much as I don't wish to defend what some see as unlawful, they defend Abe Lincoln's unlawful war against the South.

We do not erect statues to John Dillinger nor Pretty Boy Floyd, but movies are made.

Movies are abundant showing Robert E. Lee in action. The man is close to worshiped at the military academy. He is studied today by students.

To remove his statues in his homeland state is crazy. If one can't learn from history, only destroy history, we are a sad sad nation.

 

MLK stood for civil rights and an acknowledgement of human dignity. Again I ask: Why do you wish to remember Robert E. Lee?

 

There is a huge difference between theism and deism.

 

You are confused. The monuments being removed from public land in the United States commemorate individuals who rejected the Constitution of the United States.

It is appropriate to honour those who defended the Constitution of the United States against them.

 

Jefferson so believed in Jesus his own Bible was to this point.

 

This is the back end of the horse argument.

Were all states held as captives? Even when this took place, many in the North believed the South was right. That they voted to leave. The violence commenced when Abe invaded VA. And killed hundreds of locals of VA.

 

Martin L King was selfish. Now all that is fine with me, but face it, he was selfish to the core.

I wish to recall Lee as a key player of this nations history.

Get to Richmond VA and see with your own eyes his enormous magnificent statue on Monument Ave. If that goes, we might as well erase the civil war from memory.

 

The ultimate goal of the Radical Left is to silence all opposing views, and remove any and all symbols, artifacts, inscriptions, monuments, street signs, flags, maybe even band some types of vehicles, like the Volkswagon, (designed by Adolph Hitler) and of course any Ford, since Henry Ford admired Adolph Hitler.

Anything they deem to be not Leftwing, must be banned. Including 1st amendment protections for speech. Christianity must go. Islamic radical jihadist, however, are welcome.

 

He also believed in materialism, ridiculed belief in the supernatural and believed that most of the Bible was BS. His Bible was made by take a knife to most of the rest of the Bible.

 

LEE was a traitor and a loser, not monument worthy

 

bull crap. those that want the monuments removed are more then eager to remind confederate apologists what morons and losers the confederates were.

 

Like a civil rights leader, he attracted bullets. Nothing to be ashamed of there.

Defended his state's racist authoritarianism against our nation, you mean.

By any reasonable measure, John Brown was a far greater hero than Lee was.

So ironic.

 

As I noted, the monuments being removed from public land in the United States commemorate individuals who rejected the Constitution of the United States, and fought against the United States.

I opined that it is appropriate to honour those who defended the Constitution of the United States against them.

You have not been able to counter the stated truth, nor have you challenged the opinion.

As we all know, hostilities commenced when those who rejected the United States and its Constitution attacked Fort Sumter, a United States military installation on federal property, at 4:30 AM on April 12, 1861. Lying about that well-documented fact does not alter that reality.