While We Were Still Enemies, Jesus Died for Us

I gave up on Imaginary Friends when I was 9-years-old.

 

You're not a Republican.

 

It would be nice if you folks stopped cramming that stuff down our throats.

 

Fake News, you say?

 

Fake news. I said no such thing.

 

Which is EXACTLY what "Christian" sects the world over do; they worship out of fear of damnation, not love of their Father in heaven. Ridiculous!.

"But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not." (Mathew 25:12)

You cannot "one up" God OUR Father. All the judgemental nonsense "Christians" go through is useless and self serving. Have faith, the door will be opened unto you.

“Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father” (Philippians 2:9-11).

If faith is the key, in the end all will be saved.

 

That's a real word salad.

 

No, that is the description of all who deny, reject, or hate Him.

 

And of those that put nonexistent constraints on his love.

 

How simplistic

 

His love is constrained only by those whose words and actions reject what He freely chose to give to us.

 

I quoted your message.

 

Yes and you claimed that I called it fake news, when I did no such thing. It looks like your reading comprehension is not better than your math skills.

The thread is: "While we were still enemies, [Christ] died for us". Do try to stick to the topic rather than, once again, trying to make a fellow poster the topic.

 

And yet, here you are.

 

So nobody then.

 

And you wrote that they merited death for not accepting what Jesus said and you specifically aimed it at abortion providers, practicing Muslims, atheists and Democrats

 

The writer of the OP has referred to immigrants crossing the border as "enemy illegal alien invader enemies ". In another thread . So after creating many threads about the importance of Christmas and Christmas trees and Jesus he then attacks fellow Christians who want to improve their lives. What a hypocrite

 

As I said, I cited your message:



I asked you if you thought that was fake news because you made your points as numbered subpoints under "Fake News."

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I asked you if you thought your subpoints were fake news. Then you made it personal.

So, returning you to the topic. If not your subpoints, what do you think is "Fake News?"

God said someone had to be punished and God let Jesus make the call by offering himself? Does this mean you hold that Jesus had free will. All the time?

Is every human guilty? Even newborns?

Aren't you touching on original sin?

 

You're reading comprehension is worse than your math. Did you read the post I was replying to? It's in your post for goodness sakes.

Of course Jesus had free will, we all do. You're other question essentially is asking the age of accountability, when a person is old enough to know right from wrong, and that age is not clearly stated anywhere that I could find, but, some thealogins believe to be quite a bit older than many would assume, I personally do not know the age level when God considers a person mature enough to choose good or evil as an act of their own will.

 

There is this.

https://www.gotquestions.org/bar-mitzvah-bat-mitzvah.html

 

That appears to be exactly what that is in the Jewish culture.

Found this as I considered your point.

'The only Jewish "age of accountability" in traditional Jewish law is that of Bar/Bat Mitzvah: 13 years plus one day for boys, 12 plus a day for girls. '

I wasn't aware of the "plus a day" or that the age was different for the sexes.

http://www.barmitzvahs.org/barmitzvahs/Bar.Mitzvah.age.php

 

The plus a day might have been for errors in exact times. It's been awhile since I studied this stuff.

 

I was thinking that it was because the birthday is the completion of a year and "plus 1" is the first day of the next, but I could find no confirmation. I did find this though:

"While the age of majority is not designated as such in biblical literature, the age of 20 seems to be the standard for purposes both of taxation (e.g., Exodus 30:14) and conscription (e.g., Numbers 1:3, 24). This age seems to apply equally to males and to females (see Leviticus 27:4-7), albeit only for taxation.'

That closer to what I recalled. I remembered that it was much older than I expected.

'The age for moral responsibility seems to be the same. In Numbers, God distinguishes those of age 20 and above, guilty of mutinous, faithless complaints, from "your little ones" and "your children," who alone will arrive in the Land of Israel as promised (Numbers 14:26-35). So the age of 20 marked the transition to adulthood in the biblical period, but no rite marking the transition is recorded there.'

Physical Maturity:
'In rabbinic literature (primarily the Mishnah and Babylonian Talmud, with respective editorial dates of approximately 200 CE and 550 CE), the ages of 12 years and one day for girls and 13 years and one day for boys–the ages widely regarded traditionally as the threshold of adulthood–begin to take on significance.'

https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/the-age-requirement-for-barbat-mitzvah/

 

So, then, if Jesus had not decided to die, God would have for all time continued punishing people for their sins?

God, then, doesn't punish innocents?

 

I have no interest in arguing a counterfactual, that is not the choice that God made.

God took complete responsibility for our sins, that's the key point.