"Who's gonna pay for Medicare for all?" is either stupid or disingenuous

No, they don’t.

you cannot guarantee the right to housing or health care. If nobody wants to provide it, who is government going to enslave to force to provide it?

 

Yes they do.

 

You said you want to bleed them all dry.

Now, you want to claim you support safety nets.

lol.

 

Every single civilization since the stone age has required taxes of its members.

Our own founders understood that. Their issue with taxes was that we were taxed without having representation in the body of government that determined taxes. It wasn't that they had some cornball view of taxes like seems to be prevalent on this thread.

Today, we STILL have Republicans DEMANDING that Americans pay tax with NO representation.

Republicans demand that citizens in Washington DC pay federal taxes with NO REPRESENTATION.

Then, YOU complain about it, calling it slavery. We know about slavery. And, taxation is not even within a country mile of slavery. Calling taxes slavery is an insult to the entire US history of slavery and whiite supremacy.

Do you agree with our founders? Do you accept that every single civilization that has EVER existed included taxation?

Or, do you have some entirely different form of government than any that has EVER existed?

If so, please explain in detail.

 

It isn't about that. Let's be honest. The drive from the left is 100% based on getting somebody else to cover the cost for others benefits.

 

Lol. I love how you try to justify your stealing using collectivism as the rational.

Might as well just go full on communism then, right?

 

Who said anything about the left - I can't stand the left - I am talking to you about reality - and that reality is that neither red nor blue is interested in doing anything about the systemic issues that have resulted in this massive extortion racket.

What part of "Half" is not sinking in.

 

A chevy is half the cost of the BMW. You get what you pay for. You want a "deal" on your healthcare? Nah, no thanks. I want the premium version.

 

You have no clue what you are talking about - I gave you a link - We are paying double the Cost for the same Chevy - what part of "HALF" do you not understand ?

 

Taxation is the price which we pay for civilization, for our social, civil and political institutions, for the security of life and property, and without which, we must resort to the law of force.

 

Since dems pay taxes, wrong.

 

You can't prove that.

There is no article out there capable of comparing two Healthcare systems in two different countries with such drastic implementation.

I am very happy with my healthcare here. Wait times, new technology and medicines, my doctors experience and education, the Healthcare facilities. My insurance is good and covers this. I am happy.

Why are you so apt to tell me I can no longer have a service I desire? Because YOU don't see value?

No. It's because you want me to join your plan to make it work.

 

So anything authorized to he spent from tax dollars is legitimate, because... society. Am I hearing this correctly?

 

If democrats weren't the beneficiaries of subsidies from Obamacare, they wouldn't push so hard.

 

Yep, you want change what the money is spent on, that's what voting is for.

 

Socialized medicine is a balance. Heck, any private economic good that you want to socialize is a balance.

You can have uniform, crappy coverage for everyone that is cheap.
You can have uniform, excellent coverage for everyone that is super expensive.
You can have coverage for most people, with crappy coverage, that is cheap.

The triple constraints still apply, even if the "government" is paying for it.

 

So the authorizations and powers delegated to the Federal Government via the constitution mean nothing.

Let me guess, perversion of the General Welfare Clause, right?

 

It's filed under the "Good and Plenty Clause" that liberals pretend exists.

 

No perversion, you want a prosperous country then you need healthy and educated citizens.

 

Of course it can be proven that other nations pay 50% of what we do for equivalent service .. and there have been many studies done on this - you can google what these nations pay .. very easy .. I gave you one article - from the American Conservative.

Good you are happy with healthcare here - but we pay double. What part of 3.5 Trillion in 2018 - is not screaming price fixing and anti competitive practice in your ear...

You are absolutely clueless about this issue - and clearly ignored the information provided you. "No Studies" There are hundreds - google drug price fixing .. what .. never heard of that .. somehow you think that the drugs - by the same company - selling for 25% of the cost - are somehow different than the pill we get here for 4 times the cost - or more ? .. no bells ringing in your head .. .. are you blind or do you just have blinders on ? Are we "Getting we paid For" ? - to use your words.

Our healthcare system is a swamp of collusion - price fixing - anti competitive practices gone wild .. from both public and private sides of the fence..

What part of "Half" is not sinking in ?

 

You have that plan because you (your employer) is chosen by the government to provide you with better (subsidized by public taxation) benefits.
We have to take it from you, because we also want health care whenever we need, not whenever corporate boss allow us.
Nothing personal just business.

 

So yes. Perversion.

Gimme gimme gimme

 

Something public education is failing at miserably.

 

Nope... That's not what I was talking about. You are making the claim that the quality of service is the same for half the price.

What part of "Its my money and I am happy to spend double" did you not understand?

Oh, Im fully clear. You have a collectivist mentality in which you gauge the success of our healthcare, it's affordability, and it's value based upon an "everybody" perspective. I don't. I base it off of a "am I happy for what I am paying for" and the answer is yes.

See here is the problem. I can have a transactional and professional relationship with my insurance company and my doctor and it has nothing to do with you. I don't need you or anybody else to hold that relationship. You may not agree with it, or like it, but it doesn't matter.

What you need on the converse side, is participation from people like me to make your utopian dream of cheap efficient healthcare work. Without me, and people like me, the plan is not feasible. You know this. Because at the end of the day, its about people paying for insurance sacrificing the relationships they currently support in order to support other peoples healthcare... which may or may not mean a reduction in quality.

It's simple man. I don't want to play. No thank you. Im good paying double. Im good with the quality of care that I receive for my money. No, you can't have my money, even if you think your plan is superior.

Stop trying to think you have authority over other peoples decisions, and their money, simply because you think you know better.

 

Pretty much every government ran system is failing.