"Who's gonna pay for Medicare for all?" is either stupid or disingenuous

So you want citizens who are sickly and ignorant. Got it.

 

What makes your desires more important than other peoples?

 

That is exactly the claim being made - what part of "Half" do you not understand - and there are numerous studies done on this - hundreds probably .. it is not some secret .. The link I sent you stated we are "middle of the road" in terms of overall quality of care among first world nations.

What part of this reality is not clear to you ? What part of "Price Fixing" do you not understand ?
What part of "Its my money and I am happy to spend double" did you not understand?

The rest of this post is compete rubbish .. full of false accusations because you can't handle the message so you have to try to demonize the messenger.

This has nothing to do with "Collectivist " mentality - and I am not a Liberal - nor a communist - and rail against collectivism on a regular basis .. the difference between my and you being that my arguments are good - where you don't have a clue what you are talking about .. relying on nonsense slogans "You get what you pay for" and nonsense platitudes .. as if this constitutes some kind of refutation to the facts before you.

No - We are not getting what we pay for .. What part of "Same Drug - Same company" we pay way more .. is hard for your to grasp.

You cry "I don't want authority over me" yet love the police state .. You cry "I don't want authority over me" yet our system of Healthcare extortion has authority over you .. and you don't even realize it.

 

Exactly why it is failing in United States.
Because it run by the government serving Medical cartel.

 

I dont know why it's so difficult for you to understand.

Go have any health care plan you or anybody else wants. I don't want it. I don't want to partake in it.

Ot doesn't matter how you demonize the current system, or how much you claim I ignorant, none of that changes the fact that you don't get to make the choice for me.

Why do you so badly want me to align with your view? What difference does it make?

 

Oh, it's not just medicine. It's education, postal service... the fact is, governement is awful at running things. Their track record proves as much.

 

False accusations - cause your position is hopelessly lost - is not an argument for much .. You don't want to pay half for the same quality care .. nice to be rich and have money to waste.

Never said anything about demonitizing the current system - what made up fantasy is this ?

I want you do align with the view that paying half the money for the same quality product - is a good thing .. especially when the price tag 2018 - was 3.5 Trillion dollars..

my reason for this is - trying to put it as nice as I can - but anyone who thinks spending an extra 1.75 Trillion of other peoples money per year - is a bit off the ranch if ya get my drift ..

 

I prefer to heave health insurance administered by the government, it is called Medicare.
I bet every sane person preferer something that is guaranteed instead of something that might be gone tomorrow.
No matter how bad or good Medicare is, it is actually true insurance, that will not force you to declare bankruptcy.

Any private insurance is essentially no insurance.

 

I have more cars than drivers and my daily car costs six figures.

I've seen the "equivalent" healthcare in other countries, and it's not equal.

So yes, I have money to burn and yes I'll keep more current costlier (and in my opinion premium) health care.

 

My foster kids had medicaid before being adopted.

It was ****.

 

Spare me you unsupported denial of reality - The idea that folks are dropping in the street in Norway - any more than they are here - because of lack of good healthcare .. is preposterous nonsense on steroids .. and that is the Bull Droppings you are trying to peddle.

Sell thy wares elsewhere - and great that you can afford premium healthcare - there is private for profit alongside public in many EU systems as is the case her - and they are just as good as here in the US for blokes like your self . - so what would change .. these places would still exist here "Keep your coverage" - opt out of the system .. life is good - perfect .. except for 1.75 Trillion less.

You must be flaming Blue to be so careless with money.

 

So you're a typical con, you don't care about anyone but yourself. You'd make Ann Rand proud.

 

It is an empirical fact of reality that single payer and universal healthcare systems provide better care than we do at a fraction of the cost.

 

Got it. Participate in your failed healthcare system AND pay for my own insurance. Like public education, that is substandard and those who elect to send their kids to private schools and end up paying for both.

Why can't you just admit that you don't give a damn about my healthcare or decisions? That you only care about needing my money to fund your desired program?

It's time to be honest. You want everybody to be forced to participate because you need their money to make it work. Just admit it.

 

Sure I do. I care about my family, my friends, my neighbors, and my community. I don't large sums of money in support of these things.

What you have a problem with is that I don't care about YOUR agenda.

You're angry because I desire to allocate my money how I see fit and based on what's important to me, and you're want to control my money and give it to what YOU see fit.

That's the problem.

 

The issue is that no private health insurance can cover medical expenses for elderly people.
Any so called private health insurance cannot exist without government protections (Ban on Medicare for people younger then 65) and without government subsidies (corporate tax break).
So if you get corporate health insurance but I don't that means you are stealing money from me get better health care for yourself.

 

I am not sure whether private education is better then public, since many public universities are better then private, I also cannot complain about USPS.
The difference between health care and postal service is that with postal service I can get an private alternative.
There is no public alternative in health care, everything is private.
Since private health insurances cannot provide adequate health coverage we cannot compare private and public and who is doing better job.

 

No need to make up stories and attach them to me - specially when it is projecting your issues on others .. in this case your desire to pay double for healthcare - the funds from the pockets of others but, who cares about money right ?! - as money just falls from the tree in your blue utopia.

 

That's not correct. Public education, private education. USPS FedEx. Private hospital, county hospital.

Nobody is dying in the streets because they can't go to the hospital. It's also why our healthcare costs are so high. Because some people won't buck up and pay the premium for coverage.

 

Are you suggesting that my private health insurance results in other people subsidizing me?

It's quite the opposite.

 

Nope - never suggested any such thing - tis your lack of support for decreasing overall healthcare costs which results in other people having to subsidize the system that you desire.

 

For the person who is younger then 65 and has more money then Medicaid is allowed ,there is no alternative other then "private" health insurance.
UI Urbana Champaign is a public university is much better then e.g. private DeVry
USPS delivering with the same speed if not better.
Private hospitals do not exist, they ALL subsidized by the government.
It is kind of perverted version of private enterprise with only one goal to steal money from people's pockets.

 

The problem is that you want to leech off of society.

 

Care to back that up?

You can't so you won't. You're just making jabs because you can't defend your desire to take what isn't yours.

 

Well wait a minute. I thought Obamacare fixed this. I thought it gave a group plan to all those that didn't have corporate provided insurance.

So the end game really is universal healthcare, no private option?