Why do people want a $15.00 minimum wage

The govt does more harm than good

 

Not sure what you mean. Private charity only covers multitudes of sins, not simple poverty in our republic.

 

We have survived with new emerging technologies since man was able to invent. Actually we have prospered. Why would future advancements kill our survival?
There will always be a need to sell, build, service any new technology. People will have to adapt.
Horses gave way to tractors. Tractors have increased significantly in size and increased farming machines so few workers are needed.
Hammer give way to pneumatic devices making nailing faster, needing less people to nail.
Efficiency and increased productivity is what has made things better and less expensive.

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At the expense of air that we can't breathe and water that isn't drinkable. We've been there, we don't need a return to pollution for $$$$.

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How do you get them back to work if the demand isn't there? More money = more buyers which is increased demand.

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Just how big business wants it. But we need some regulations to protect land, air, water quality.

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Says the guy totally reliant of gov't money?
Stop collecting from the gov't then and go to your church for support.

 

Even during the Great Depression hobos could find work for food. When the cost of labor is low enough there will be no shortage of jobs in an expanding economy.

 

At most the government should provide a perfect nutritionist designed diet, closely supervised safe shelter, and job networking an training. Rather like the shelter that saved the migrants at the end of The Grapes of Wrath.

IOW, a safety net that only the very desperate and helpless would seek out. Americans today would rather cut cane with a machete than eat a good nutritionist crafted free lunch.

 

There will be just as many legal people willing to work at McDonalds as before. Billion dollar industries like McDonalds and such will not hire them. Undocumented immigrant employees are ILLEGAL to hire. Doing so vould mean incredible fines. Let one get hurt or die on the job-then you are f#ck#d. Government inspectors come in to check the safety and handicapped accessibility. They come in to give ratings on cleanliness and food safety. Illegals work on farms, construction, landscaping, in private homes, for private cleaning businesses. There are no records they are employed. Health inspectors aren't coming by. Receipts and deposits and taxes are easy to manipulate. Not so at Taco Bell.

 

Please cite an example of where this happened.

 

The majority of the wealth in this country is in financial vehicles, not business investment that creates jobs. The wealthy don't want the risks that come with business investment.

 

This is a straw man. We are not talking about Minimum Income.

 

By god, if a job is essential to the operation of society, it should be mandatory that it pay a living wage. This is the only intelligent way to look at that.

 

Small business owners are crucified by idiot tax law. They couldn't survive if they didn't doctor their books and taxes.

 

Would you care to guess what your walmart manager will tell you if you try that particular tact while negotiating a raise?

Something along the lines of "This might come as something of a shock, so brace yourself, but you're not necessary to the operation of society".

 

$15 today is actually less inflation adjusted than the minimum of $1.65 was in 1973. That is how far inflation has outpaced wages, but the majority of people are too ignorant to realize that.

 

Back then, the only thing that wasn't MIA in my parents' house might have been a bottle of french wine. Everything else was made domestically.

If you want to go back to that golden age where everything people bought was made in America, you're probably a Trump supporter.

 

You are simply wrong. Larger enterprises are at an advantage because they are better equipped to absorb larger variable expenses. Smaller enterprises are less able to absorb these costs due to scale. Walmart is able to negotiate better prices from its vendors, for example, so it can extract greater profits given the same wage as its competitors.

Also not true. Low/no-skill assembly jobs are prime candidates for offshoring and the are all minimum wage.

 

15 bucks an hour is still not enough for many Americans. In Indiana, A family with 2 adults, with one working and the other staying at home with 3 kids needs the working adult yo make around 25 dollars an hour to cover their cost of living. A single adult needs around 10 to 12 a hour.

 

not hard to fix. Lower the corporate tax rate to something people will actually pay then have 0 loopholes so that people with armies of lawyers dont pay negative taxes.

I seem to recall a candidate suggesting this trump 2016?

 

Many small business owners are also forced to claim their business profits as personal income and are taxed on that.
I'm much more in favor of the Fair Tax as a solution to our messed up text system.

 

The advantages you mention for large corporations already exist and they fully exploit them today and it's unrelated to the minimum wage. Of course the large corporation is at a disadvantage because of the non-value added bureaucracy of management that restricts it's ability to quickly respond to changes while the sole-proprietor is not shackled with the necessity to reach a consensus of management to address changing expenditures. Where the large corporation does have an advantage is in financial assets that can fund bad decisions by management. Walmart is closing hundreds of stores (while opening many more) because of bad management decisions and Walmart can afford to make these bad decisions. The sole-proprietor can't afford to make these types of management blunders.

To a significant degree these jobs have already been replaced by automation. Roughly 40% of all manufacturing jobs per capita have already been replaced by automation in both the United States and worldwide since 1970 and these low/no-skill jobs that are generally redundant are the prime jobs for replacement by relatively simple robotics. For example you don't really need a person to lace a tennis shoe because a robot can do it easily.

I worked in manufacturing engineering for most of my career and replacing these low/no-skill jobs with technology was one of my primary job roles. In aerospace where I worked we replaced the low-skill riveting job for thousands of small sub-assembies with high speed machined aluminum structures because CNC machining became so inexpensive over that last 20 years and the CNC machines didn't even require a machinist to operate. A single operator (not machinist) could monitor numerous milling machines that pumped out parts with virtually no human labor involved at all. Today entire airplane fusilage sections are made of carbon-fiber that's mechanically spun on a large mandrel and then baked in an autoclave replacing dozens of high-paying "riveting" jobs and riveting isn't really a high-skill job. Reading the blueprint was but not the actual assembly and we even attempted to reduce the necessity to read a blueprint in our manufacturing operations.

Manufacturing jobs aren't really being "shipped" overseas but instead have simply disappeared because of technology.

I would suggest reviewing the following article because manufacturing and argicultural jobs have been on the decline of decades and it has absolutely nothing to do with work being exported to foreign countries, regulations, taxes, or the minimum wage. Technology is replacing the work force and eliminating the jobs. Technology is also moving into the service sector today driving compensation down even further.

https://www.minnpost.com/macro-micr...y-lessons-understanding-decline-manufacturing

 

Why would anyone not want to improve the standard of living?

 

I want a form of minimum wage that actually solves for a social dilemma.

 

Yes …

People who grumble about working families needing and wanting to earn a decent living … should try it sometime … i.e., working at a REAL job and living on the proceeds ...

 

Why? Because we don't think tax payers ought to pay for employees food stamps and medicaid while companies get record profits and hand out gigantic bonuses to those in the boardrooms. There was a time in the U.S. when most employers would give ALL of their employees a raise after getting record profits. Not anymore. Now, i don't think we should jump directly to $15.00 immediately. However, if we had raised the minimum wage to match inflation all along, it would be well over $15.00 already. Capitalism is great as long as you don't allow the wealthy to buy elections and politicians and take all of the money. Unfortunately, that's exactly what we've done in America. Anyone who thinks we shouldn't raise the minimum wage and complains about people getting food stamps or medicaid is flat-out stupid.

 

Doesn't that simply require a Jobs Boom?