Why do the U.S. support Ukraine which has so many unresolved political murders?

So before I post, I want to ask something. You are fine with the source of Statista? You're fine with the numbers in that link?

 

I never stated Senate, I said 66% of Dems opposed Dubya/GOP war of choice in Iraq in CONGRESS

Weird you got Senate out of Congress

 

That's what came up, not betting my life on it, but I've trusted them before.

Want to provide other sources that dispute it, go for it

While the U.S. has sent the most aid in total dollars, Ukraine’s neighbors are contributing the most on a per GDP basis.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-co...ountries,Germany providing the highest amount.

In total aid (military, financial and humanitarian combined), the European Union and its countries have provided the most to Ukraine, according to Kiel Institute, whereas the United States has by far provided the most in military aid.


Weird almost like the US has a strong M.I.C.????

 

Weird that you don't understand that without passing the Senate, Congress cannot comitt this nation to war. Thanks for admitting that 58% of Senate Democrats voted for war in Iraq.

Sens. Baucus (D-MT), Bayh (D-IN), Biden (D-DE), Breaux (D-LA), Cantwell (D-WA), Carnahan (D-MO), Carper (D-DE), Cleland (D-GA), Clinton (D-NY), Daschle (D-SD), Dodd (D-CT), Dorgan (D-ND), Edwards (D-NC), Feinstein (D-CA), Harkin (D-IA), Hollings (D-SC), Johnson (D-SD), Kerry (D-MA), Kohl (D-WI), Landrieu (D-LA), Lieberman (D-CT), Lincoln (D-AR), Miller (D-GA), Nelson (D-FL), Nelson (D-NE), Reid (D-NV), Rockefeller (D-WV), Schumer (D-NY), and Torricelli (D-NJ).

 

I get it you must distort to "prove" your posit. Hint Congress is not the Senate, which the GOP had control of in 2003 when Dubya lied about WMD's

 

Fake News. It is not a distortion to accurately point out that the war resolution had no effect if it did not pass the Senate and that it passed the Senate with 58% of the Senate Democrats supporting it.

And this recorded vote quickly stomped out your implication that this was a Republican only launched war. Small wonder if you want to change history after the Ukraine debacle blows up in our faces that you are so desperately trying to avoid a recorded vote on a seperate appropriation for our Ukraine War policy.

 

I get it, you CONServatives love to pivot.

Once more MY POSIT was 66% of DEMOCRATS IN CONGRESS OPPOSED DUBYA/GOP WAR OF CHOICE.

You choose to bring "prominent and Senate" into your screed,

Ukraine vote is a red herring, Putin's puppets are pushing that BS

 

"GOP War"? 58% of the Dems in the Senate voted for it, including KERRY, CLINTON, SCHUMER, AND BIDEN.

If the war is so critical to US interests why is the Left so scared of a recorded vote on a dedicated appropriation for the Ukraine War?

It almost seems like you too are concerned that this is going to turn into a disaster and you don't want a paper trail, like we have on the Iraq war that shows that 58% of the Democrats in the Senate voted for it, and the claim that it was a GOP only war, is fake news.

 

So both links have about the same numbers, so more or less everyone can see and agree on a clear picture. We do indeed have a strong M.I.C, but that strong M.I.C can become weak if we're funding the national defense of a separate country. It is concerning that the European allies, on the region that not only is highly contested, but inarguably they awoke that sleeping beast in the first place with the overtures to Ukraine(overtures that are denied by no one.) is unwilling to fund its national defense.

It may very well be 0.8 of our GDP. But it's still trillions we could use for American national security. Money we could use to beef up our own security(that might be shocking to the people inside of Washington.)

 

History is never kind to the left ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

Perfect!!! We're digging ourself a shallow grave economically.. This bullshit war is very reminiscent of Vietnam but without the invasion part, of what I predict will eventually happen in this clusterfuc!

 

we do not support what Putin is doing to Ukraine

 

Spending billions to defend Ukraine's border while leaving our own wide open is the essence of stupidity. Ukraine has nothing we need. Its not NATO. Its a total waste, although China loves to see us using up weapons that won't be used against them In defense of Taiwan.

 

Taiwan manufactures more than half of the printed circuits in the world. Our economy defends on these components from cars to refrigerators, computers to airplanes, and so much more. Taiwan's manufacturing is vital to our economic survival. Ukraine has no similar value at all.

 

When is less than $80 billion equal to trillions?

 

Another rightie who "loves" him some Democracy, as long as it doesn't cost him a penny, and it just so happens to benefit Putin!

 

Less than $80 billion in aide?

 

Trump thought denying DACA was more important then his wall, thus we did not get the wall - Trump should of took the $25 billion when the offer was on the table

Trump should read the art of the deal....

 

True, it was the "left" who advocated tax cuts (loss of revenues) to spur Diaper Donnie, Dubya and Ronnie's tax cuts as they blew up spending


It was the "left" who advocated a war in Iraq for WMD's?

It was the "left" who sold weapons for hostages in Iran/Contra


It was the "left" of Ronnie Reagan who had over 100 criminal convictions (before HW Bush's pardons stopped even more)


It was the "left" that ran the econpomy into the ground with Dubya's subprime crisis and Ronnie's S&L scandals, both done by lack of regulators on the beat

It was the "left" who jacked up the economy in the 1920's that led to the GOP great depression

It was the "left" who fired on Ft Sumpter to start the war on the US, because they wanted to continue to own slaves!

It was the "left" who opposed civil rights bills and laws.

Yeah I can see how bad the "left" is

 

Trump claims his border wall could be completed in three weeks – despite not finishing it in four years

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...s/trump-border-wall-cpac-mexico-b2024428.html

 

The greatest lie ever told was that conservatives give a F about Putin. If Putin makes remarks that some conservative points to, that has less to do with Putin then the fact that even an unsavory character said something that a person happens to agree with.

It's like pointing out the Nazi smoking ban. Yeah, they were racist mass murderers, but they were ahead of their time on that health hazard. Even a broken clock strikes twice a day, I still want a new clock that works.

 

You do realize that's only political? The votes are recorded on it already, just because some of Putin's puppets want to use votes for political purposes, doesn't mean you get too. BUT the HOUSE sure could do it if they GOP wanted right?

Once more, only 1/3rd of Democrats in Congress voted for Dubyas war of choice in Iraq, where about 95%+ of the GOP did!

 

the war resolution was to keep the war option on the table, in order to get inspectors in (taking that off the table would mean harder to get inspectors in), after inspectors found nothing, Bush the decider decided to go to war anyways, not what congress voted for

Bush did not expect Iraq to let the Inspectors in... that threw off his plan

http://musingsoniraq.blogspot.com/2008/06/un-inspectors-were-right-iraq-was-not.html

"by 2002 the new Bush administration decided on war with Iraq. One of the problems they were faced with was how to justify it. In March 2002 British Prime Minister Tony Blair’s office suggested to the White House that a new round of U.N. inspectors could be the way to provoke a war. England believed that Iraq would refuse inspections and that could not only provide the legal justification for war, but also help build public support."

 

@JonK22

""Biden corruption should be easy to prove? Why haven't they?"" Please show us the DOJ investigations and reports into the Biden corruption..

 

See, that's why a recorded vote is so important so that two decades later you can't pretend that this was one man's war. It was approved by BOTH Houses of Congress, and 58% of the Dems cast a RECORDED vote to authorized the war in Iraq, which turned out to be a colossal mistake.

I want to see a full debate and recorded vote on seperate appropropriations bills for the Ukraine war.

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