Why do the U.S. support Ukraine which has so many unresolved political murders?

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  1. JonK22

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    Weird you keep bringing up the US Senate when the CONGRESS in 2003 had 66% of Dems oppose Dubya's war of choice and GOPers supported it by like 95%+

    "The nuclear fuel-for-money exchange is a spin-off of the 1993 Megatons to Megawatts Program that reduced Russian possession of nuclear fuel by converting 500 metric tons of weapons-grade uranium to 15,000 tons of low-enriched uranium, which was then sold to the U.S. for use as nuclear fuel. The program reduced Russian weapons capacity by more than 20,000 nuclear warheads and supplied the United States with much-needed fuel that could provide a cheaper, cleaner form of energy."

    https://www.newsweek.com/putin-selling-us-nearly-billion-dollars-nuclear-fuel-1799788

    AND?
     
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    Yup. You heard that right. We are still sending about $100 million every month to Russia to buy uranium.

    [​IMG]https://www.washingtonpost.com › politics › 2022 › 04 › 20 › does-russia-sell-nearly-1-billion-uranium-us-year
    Does Russia sell nearly $1 billion in uranium to the U.S. a year?

    Apr 20, 2022 "We are still sending about $100 million every month to Russia to buy uranium.". — Sen. John Barrasso (R-Wyo.), interviewed on Fox News, April 13. "In 2021 Russian imports [of ...
     
  3. JonK22

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    Oh I get it, the big bad GOP House who says they have so much on the "Bidens" is "just asking questions"?

    Hint The Former Guy, Diaper Donnie had the DOJ invesigate the Biden's what did he get again?

    Seems maybe he asked a foreign Gov't to "do him a favor (BEFORE HE RELEASED MONEY CONGRESS APPROPIATED)

    "I would like you to do us a favor," Trump asked President Volodymyr Zelenskiy, according to the official account released on Wednesday.

    Later in the conversation, according to the memo, Trump said:

    "I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation in Ukraine ... There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that. So whatever you can do with the attorney general would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it ... it sounds horrible to me."

    Weird 4 years in office, what 3 guys at DOJ, and Diaper Donnie got zilch but another impeachment?
     
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    AND? You make it sound as if the US is at war with Russia, nope just SOME sanctions
     
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    do Republicans want Russia to have more nuclear fuel and to sell it to our enemies?
     
  6. popscott

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    @JonK22
    Run away, run away...
    Please show us.. please do not deflect away to a Trump, Trump, Trump rant again...
    ""Biden corruption should be easy to prove? Why haven't they?"" Please show us the DOJ investigations and reports into the Biden corruption..
     
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    After funding and arming ISIS in Syria, seems a few folks still don't realize US taxpayers have funded and armed Neo-nazis in ukraine since 2014. After, of course, 'Democracy promoting' America destroyed the last Democratically-elected President of ukraine.

    US weapons are killing civilians, indiscriminately, on a daily basis. Intentional, targeted, ethnic genocide. You'll never see any ****ing fake news western media reporting from Eastern Donbass. Doesn't fit the bullshit narrative the USG/MIC is feeding the public.
     
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    @JonK22

    "Seems maybe he asked a foreign Gov't to "do him a favor (BEFORE HE RELEASED MONEY CONGRESS APPROPIATED)"


    Oh no my liberal friend....... Trump did not ask Zelenskyy to "do him a favor"... Trump exact words were "do US a favor"
    Words have meanings.

    And Trump was asking "the favor" for the Crowdstrike server, if they had it...
    His reference to "the server" relates to a conspiracy that the DNC hid an incriminating server from the FBI while the bureau was investigating Russia's hack, and that the server contains information about who was really responsible for the breach.

    https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/6429029/Transcript-of-Trump-call-with-Ukrainian.pdf

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    Supplying $100 billion to their enemy is not just "SOME sanctions" ...war by proxy by any definition..
     
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  10. JonK22

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    Weird you don't know how DOJ works, hint they don't share until indicted
     
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    Less than $80 billion, and why should the US stop buying nuke fuel from them?
     
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    LMAOROG

    ''I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike… I guess you have one of your wealthy people… The server, they say Ukraine has it. There are a lot of things that went on, the whole situation. I think you’re surrounding yourself with some of the same people. I would like to have the Attorney General call you or your people and I would like you to get to the bottom of it. As you saw yesterday, that whole nonsense ended with a very poor performance by a man named Robert Mueller, an incompetent performance, but they say a lot of it started with Ukraine. Whatever you can do, it’s very important that you do it if that’s possible

    G...ood because I heard you had a prosecutor who was very good and he was shut down and that’s really unfair. A lot of people are talking about that, the way they shut your very good prosecutor down and you had some very bad people involved. Mr. Giuliani is a highly respected man. He was the mayor of New York City, a great mayor, and I would like him to call you. I will ask him to call you along with the Attorney General. Rudy very much knows what’s happening and he is a very capable guy. If you could speak to him that would be great. The former ambassador from the United States, the woman, was bad news and the people she was dealing with in the Ukraine were bad news so I just want to let you know that. The other thing, There’s a lot of talk about Biden’s son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it… It sounds horrible to me.
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/25/politics/donald-trump-ukraine-transcript-call/index.html
     
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    Weird you don't know how DOJ works, hint ......they don't indict until they investigate.... what is need to start an investigation... reasonable suspicion, which there is more than enough of that.
     
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    @JonK22

    "Seems maybe he asked a foreign Gov't to "do him a favor (BEFORE HE RELEASED MONEY CONGRESS APPROPIATED)"

    Well I have to apologize... there is a video of the president wanting the Ukrainians to do something BEFORE HE RELEASED MONEY CONGRESS APPROPIATED.. it is right here and I totally missed... some people would call it a silly quid pro quo, impeachment is just to good for him and is not enough.. to leverage tax payer money against a foreign Gov't...it is just is not acceptable...
    Here is the video...
    https://tinyurl.com/bwnwknvh
     
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    ...Biden later publicly disclosed that on another trip to Kyiv he told Ukraine’s new leadership that Shokin needed to be removed, warning that the U.S. would withhold $1 billion in loan guarantees until Shokin was replaced. (Biden did not say when he made the threat, but he addressed the Ukrainian Parliament in Kyiv on Dec. 9, 2015, and dangled the prospect of future U.S. aid if the country rid itself of the “cancer of corruption.”)

    “I looked at them and said: I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money,” Biden recalled in remarks at an event hosted in January 2018 by the Council on Foreign Relations. “Well, son of a bitch. He got fired.”

    Trump repeatedly cites Biden’s January 2018 remarks as evidence that the former vice president pressured Ukraine to fire Shokin because he was investigating Burisma.

    But, as we said, the evidence shows Biden was carrying out U.S. policy, and the United States was not alone in pressuring Ukraine to fire Shokin.

    In February 2016, International Monetary Fund Managing Director Christine Lagarde threatened to withhold $40 billion unless Ukraine undertook “a substantial new effort” to fight corruption after the country’s economic minister and his team resigned to protest government corruption. That same month, a “reform-minded deputy prosecutor resigned, complaining that his efforts to address government corruption had been consistently stymied by his own prosecutor general, Viktor Shokin,” according to a Jan. 3, 2017, Congressional Research Service report.

    https://www.factcheck.org/2020/10/trump-revives-false-narrative-on-biden-and-ukraine/

    Biden, allies pushed out Ukrainian prosecutor because he didn't pursue corruption cases

    ...But sources ranging from former Obama administration officials to an anti-corruption advocate in Ukraine say the official, Viktor Shokin, was ousted for the opposite reason Trump and his allies claim.

    It wasn't because Shokin was investigating a natural gas company tied to Biden's son; it was because Shokin wasn't pursuing corruption among the country's politicians, according to a Ukrainian official and four former American officials who specialized in Ukraine and Europe.


    Shokin's inaction prompted international calls for his ouster and ultimately resulted in his removal by Ukraine's parliament.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...orced-out-ukraines-top-prosecutor/3785620002/



     
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    Oh ok, the DOJ is investigating, but you think they should present their evidence to you? lol

    Or is the House who gave them "a day" to present this super secrect evidence tying Biden to $5 milllion in corruption? lol
     
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    How much U.S. infrastructure could that have bought ;)
     
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    Intead of fighting for democracy? Wantt o "buy" more infrastructure, TAX LIKE THE US DID UNDER CLINTON!
     
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    once again you are wrong... let the very people involved tell you.... instead of you telling us what someone else told you...

    https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/press-conference/625831.html

    Ukrainian members of parliament have demanded the presidents of Ukraine and the United States, Volodymyr Zelensky and Donald Trump, investigate suspicions of the legalization of $7.4 billion by the "family" of ex-President Viktor Yanukovych through the American investment fund Franklin Templeton Investments, which they said has ties to the U.S. Democratic Party.


    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...iminal-means-siphoned-laundered-from-ukraine/
    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...head-of-burisma-holdings-arrested-in-ukraine/
    https://archive.ph/is9AH
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    ""....But sources ranging from former Obama administration officials to an anti-corruption advocate in Ukraine"
    interesting general statement.... please show us these mystery "sources" and any publication they may have put out...
     
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    I could not care less about it. I do care that my government is looting the treasury of billions and giving that money to military arms manufacturers and corrupt Ukrainian oligarchs. There is a reason that countries like Brazil, India, South Africa and China are openly contemptuous of American gross hypocrisy, they know how much weaker we are than two decades ago. We are no longer an unchallenged super power, we are entering a multi-polar world where we are no longer the arbitrators of the "good".

    Even the deepest of deep state chicken hawks (Fiona Hill) has noted that rest of the world is no longer marching to America's drum. They are starting to march to China's. The war in Ukraine has accelerated this turning away at the fastest rate in our history. It is idiotically suicidal for America to waste resources in this war.
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiona_Hill_(presidential_advisor)

    Watch this video to see her comments. It is so weird to see deep state elites finally realize what we realized years ago. The shocking lack of common sense and inability to perceive the motivations of others by of our elites is very troubling. Our elites appear to be among the most talentless on the planet.
    https://rumble.com/v2q7soy-system-update-show-89.html
     
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    Powerful people have always been at risk everywhere.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assassinated_American_politicians
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_federal_judges_killed_in_office
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Congress_members_killed_or_wounded_in_office
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_assassination_attempts_and_plots
     
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    Difficult to read, impossible to decipher ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
     
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    I was more concerned about the Republicans 20+ year war with boots on the ground that cost us trillions, around a 1\3 of our debt
     
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    Envoys pushed to oust Ukraine prosecutor before Biden
    EU and US officials dispute Trump’s claim former vice-president acted to protect son


    European and US officials pressed Ukraine to sack Viktor Shokin, the country’s former prosecutor-general, months before Joe Biden, the former US vice-president, personally intervened to force his removal, people involved in the talks said. Mr Biden did not act unilaterally nor did he instigate the push against Mr Shokin, despite suggestions to the contrary by supporters of US president Donald Trump, people familiar with the matter said.

    https://www.ft.com/content/e1454ace-e61b-11e9-9743-db5a370481bc

    Viktor Shokin: The inside story on Ukraine’s ‘very good’ prosecutor at centre of Trump scandal
    Donald Trump said Ukraine’s former chief prosecutor was an honest, wronged man, fired after Joe Biden tried to shut down an investigation into his son’s gas company. In Kiev, Oliver Carroll speaks to people who know Viktor Shokin, and finds a different story

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...r-joe-investigation-impeachment-a9147001.html

    But Ukrainian prosecutors and anti-corruption activists with knowledge of the matter argue that the timeline of developments in the Burisma case and Shokin's stint as chief prosecutor simply does not fit the narrative being put forward by Trump and his allies.

    Moreover, they say that Shokin himself was the biggest obstacle standing in the way of the investigation.

    https://www.rferl.org/a/why-was-ukraine-top-prosecutor-fired-viktor-shokin/30181445.html

    Trump Revives False Narrative on Biden and Ukraine


    https://www.factcheck.org/2020/10/trump-revives-false-narrative-on-biden-and-ukraine/
     

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