They are still in a State of shock and their egos will not allow them to understand why they lost. They were sitting there telling us that the economy is doing great and meanwhile those of us who are not the fairly wealthy and the wealthy... Saw a different reality every single time we went to the grocery store and we also saw the price of everyday goods and services staying inflated. But that didn't affect the Democrat elites so they couldn't understand why they're intellectually Superior propaganda wasn't working on the common Man. The wise man once said.... It's the economy, stupid. They are so out of touch they will learn not one lesson from this election. They deserve to have their faces rubbed in it. I would say they deserve to have Trump turn the legal system against them like they did against him but it's time now to move ahead and make America great again and not get bogged down in the mud during the same thing that they did. The best revenge is living well and they can take a backseat and watch.
Info wonder if after this election people will stop viewing racial groups as monoliths. For so many years we had to hear about "the white vote" and "the black vote" as if being one or the other means you think the same as everyone else that's that. Here we saw such a split in those groupings that maybe this racist approach will stop, or at least lessen?
I'd like to know how many union workers jumped ship or stayed home on account of their dissatisfaction with the Democrats' "green" policies. That could have played a significant role in the fall of the so-called "Blue Wall" in states such as Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, and obviously it explains why West Virginia flipped from Blue to Red, costing Dems a seat in the Senate.
Two things, in response: 1) As you know, Bernie is not a Democrat and 2) While I agree with you that the party elite had a hand in last Tuesday's debacle, I disagree with you about the "progressive" types (democratic socialists and/or neo-socialists) not costing Dems the election. They've been the dominant faction in the Democratic Party for years now (which is why Sanders got to run for their presidential nomination not once but twice) and they dictate the party's policies and direction. This is why Dems lost all the swing states and moderates such as Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema have become a marginal and vanishing breed in the party. Listen to all the Americans, including myself, who have said they didn't leave the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party left them, and look at all the blue collar farmers and workers who have switched parties because the DP threw in its lot with wealthy "progressive" special interests. The one demographic where Harris & Co. improved was the rich vote, and that comes as no surprise at all. As for Sanders' prospects in this and the previous elections, there's a reason why Dems are/were terrified of him getting the nomination, and that's because they know he will lose in the general election (and I agree with them). Socialists may be popular on the Left and in the Democratic Party, but they're not popular with most Americans. That may or may not change in the future, but the results of this year's elections were very much a referendum on and rejection of "progressive" policies.
One big reason I believe she lost is when she was asked what she would have done differently than Biden and she answered...."not a thing comes to mind". And right there she showed she would continue the disastrous policies of Biden.
She was handed that question on a silver platter. She didn't even bother to give a generic answer like we'll keep what works and tweak what doesn't. The audacity of that woman to be too good to even answer that question.
Given what they did to Bernie, and that they do the same to everyone with his outlook, I strongly disagree. We have not seen a presidential nominee from their party that his his type, so I can't agree that they are the dominant faction. No, it is because they are afraid of losing their power. They are in deep with the corruption and bought by special interest groups and corporate donations. The Republican elite absolutely didn't want Trump to become what he has become, but they actually let the process play out and he won. Bernie never got that chance due to the Democrat party elites rigging their system. Ironically, the Republican party is more democratic than the Democratic Party.
Even democrat networks that practically work for her were calling out that moment as one of the big ones. At least there were a lot of fun concerts in swing states thanks to Kamala
I don't think she felt she was too good to answer it. I believe she had no other answer. She did plan on continuing Biden's awful policies.
In theory, but I think the fact that he wants to do them across the board on all imports will have more of the effect of driving down consumerism and force people just to make do, than you would see with more selective tariffs like in the past. I expect it to look more like the COVID shutdown level of consumption mostly on essentials and stockpiling than people running out paying twice as much for Chinese made toys. We'll see. Who really knows. Here is a link to one of the more thoughtful conversations about it all I have seen the covers many aspects of the election and Trump going forward should you be interested.
Bernie's problem is that he's been honest and open about being a socialist, and that's a liability in the general election. As for "what they did" to Bernie, Democrats allowed him to run twice for their presidential election and he's not even a Democrat, and after the 2020 elections they gave him the most powerful committee chair in the Senate - Budget - where he could help shape and guide policy. We saw one in Harris, and her running mate has been called "Bernie Sanders in hunting gear". Which is pretty much what I said. Dems can't have Sanders costing them the WH (and races down-ticket) because he's open and honest about being a socialist. True. What the snobs in the old establishment GOP elite didn't want was a populist and the peasants who supported him - they were too stupid and afraid to see what Trump was doing for the Republican Party by bringing the working class constituencies that were once part of the Democratic base over to the GOP. As I stated in the OP, what you're witnessing is a tectonic shift in the American political landscape. As for your criticism of the Democratic Party, I would go so far as to say that it is democratic in name only. Worse yet, as the New Left in this country died and devolved into the Old Left, the DP similarly assumed the Old Left's authoritarian and totalitarian traits.
It will be interesting to see how Trump supporters respond to the inflation caused by his tariffs. Trump is so ignorant that he really seems to believe that tariffs are paid by the exporting countries. Instead, they are paid by consumers in the importing countries.
Union vote nationwide, 2020 56-40 Biden, 2024 53-45 Biden. A swing of 8 points for Trump, from a plus 16 for Biden to a plus 8. Michigan 2020 62-37 Biden, 2024 58-40 Biden A swing of 7 points for Trump, from a plus 25 to a plus 18 Wisconsin 2020 59-40 Biden, 2024 51-49 Trump. A swing of 21 points for Trump, from a plus 19 to a minus 2 Biden. Pennsylvania 2020 51-49 Trump, 2024 54-45 Harris. A swing of 11 points for Harris, from a plus 2 for Trump to a minus 9 Trump. Nationwide and in Michigan and Wisconsin Trump increased his share of the union vote, but in Pennsylvania, Trump’s share dropped. https://www.cnn.com/election/2020/exit-polls/president/national-results https://www.cnn.com/election/2024/exit-polls/national-results/general/president/0
The point isn't who pays. They very much will have a chilling effect on imports to the US due to that same inflation which in turn will encourage more domestic production. As for how even spread that inflation will be remains to be seen. As for China, it will also work as an incentive to encourage more overseas suppliers to move their operations even to other countries, if not the US, to avoid some of the tariffs (i.e. lost sales) on their products. This is not a uniquely Trump trend. Other countries are engaging in similar policies.
We shall see if manufacturing comes flooding back to the US. Many, many manufacturers aren’t really interested in paying factory workers more than $1/hour.
No, you have that backwards. It isn't that he won't win the whitehouse that they fear, it is that he will. They would rather Trump be in there than somebody like Bernie, who may actually take action against the entrenched system of donors and bought politicians. Except of course that Trump isn't actually a populist, but is charismatic and speaks not as a polished politician so come across as more genuine, even when he isn't. And that's only part of the picture. The other huge part is the drop in voter turn out for the Democrats. Yes, more working class (and minorities) voted for Trump than before, but just as important is that fewer turned out to support Harris than Democrat candidates before her. She just didn't get out the vote. She had nothing to offer but more of the same in a time that people wanted change, like a Bernie type could have delivered. You had Trump sitting around in a barbershop and learning how french fries are cooked at McDonalds, while Harris was parading around with Cheney. That really sums up why Harris lost.
American voters are truly gullible if they think a candidate pretending to make fries at McDonalds makes him “one of them.” LMAO.
I would also point out the distinction between the class war and the race war. The old "we are the 99% movement" which led to Bernie's rise could still get the Democrats votes, but I think the woke SJW DEI race war movement hurts the Democrats far more than it helps them. That they expect people of X race to vote for them because they did something on an X race issue is pure racism and its backfiring on them. People are sick of being told who they must be and how they must think and vote just because of their skin tone. I think this election shows that the USA is past peak woke, which I welcome. And I hope it means it will move back to racial blindness, and not swing violently further back to right wing racism.
Yes, many of them are. Others just thought it was funny and having already lived through a Trump presidency expect it won't be as bad as the Democrat doomsayers have been screaming. Then you have Harris walking around with Cheney and flaunting and embracing corporate funding. To win Harris didn't have to only stop Trump from getting votes. She had to get votes herself. And a lot of people on the left didn't feel motivated by her to vote. You also had many groups who didn't vote for her for other reasons of frustration with the Democrats, such as the "uncomitted" movement resulting from Biden administration blindly funding Israel's wars.
I think this will be worse than his last presidency. He’s clearly less “on top” of things. He’s more incoherent. He’s more random. It will be daily chaos as his supporters scramble to justify and explain what he said.
