Why I hope the Republicans win majorities in the House and Senate.

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  1. robini123

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    Why I hope the Republicans win majorities in the House and Senate.

    The part of my argument Trump supporters will like.

    I am so tired of the obstructionism of both sides. I am so tired of the gridlock. I think if the Republicans win control of Congress in addition to Trump winning re-election and the popular vote that this would be a clear signal from the majority that they want things done differently. So let them says I. It is the way it should be in a Representative Republic.

    This is the part Trump supporters may not like.

    Republicans put your policies in place and let’s see where this goes. I know that 4 years from now Trump loyalists will defend any failed policies, but I also know that many independents will not. I think a reason Trump was re-elected is that Democrats have gone too far to the Left and lost too many independents like I. Now we will see if MAGA pulls us too far to the right leading to a Republican defeat in 4 years.

    I predict that the right will do all they can to move America far to the right and that this will lead to losses in the midterms and another defeat in 2028. This assumes that Democrats don’t find ways to obstruct which I think will backfire on them and may lead to a Republican win in 2028. Will be informative either way.
     
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    The problem with a system that oscillates is that if the oscillations grow, the system will stick at one extreme or self destruct.
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It isn't about right and left.

    The distinction is between war starters like G W Bush and Joe Biden, and
    people who are moral.

    But the real battleground is not ideological but about what works and what
    doesn't. So I'll define morality as what works.
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So it's a different dichotomy and a different battleground, I'd suggest.

    Biden has done a lot of very inefficient things like confiscating 300
    Billion dollars from the country we hate right now.

    That scared a lot of people and countries off the dollar. It was illegal
    so they will get their money back with interest. And ordering the
    Nordstream Pipeline blown up. That forced Germany to move a lot
    of production to China. What does Biden think he's doing? And his
    war in Ukraine.

    The big problem with Biden is he is motivated largely by hate.
     
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    I personally don't like having EITHER party in total control to force through whatever it wants. Checks and balances were set up for a reason.
     
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    That is normally true, but Donald Trump is not an idealist, but a pragmatist,
    so he is a good head of a company or of a country, I would suggest.

    And he has already set up a management team.
     
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    Op is 100 percent right
    If they try to flex too much muscle and go too far right (especially on abortion issue) it will go right back to the left!
    Let’s hope they don’t screw up this opportunity
     
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    If it was about morality then Trump would not have won the Republican nomination.
     
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    Trump is motivated by hate too. Best to oppose both Biden/Harris and Trump if one opposes hate.
     
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    Yet that is to embrace perpetual gridlock. Republicans having majority control does not erase the separation of powers. While the left will be a minority once Trump is in office they can still act as a balancing force. Then there is the deep state that Trump has zero chance of eliminating.

    Trump will certainly test the limits of his power. Time will tell if the framers construction is robust enough to withstand the pressure.
     
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    Yes, I know it doesn't erase separation of powers. But it does help keep the parties in line. Like I said, no party should just be able to ram through whatever they want. Our congress should find a way to work together. It's not like there has never been bi-partisan bills.
     
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    I think the far right has authoritarian tendencies as does the far left. I think Trump is going to screw up this opportunity just as he did last time. I think he sees the liberal route as carte blanche. I don’t think Trump has the self control to temper his impulsive nature and that will once again be his undoing. After 4 years of his daily hijinks I think a majority of Americans will say enough! Thus the pendulum will swing back to the left.
     
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    That usually is what happens when a party has full control. It's just too tempting to take full advantage of the situation when you've faced so much gridlock in the past. I hope they can resist the urge.

    Democrats assume the Pubs will interpret this mandate broadly and go hard after abortion. I sincerely hope that does not happen. It would be the dumbest thing we could do.

    We desperately need to clarify and/or change some of our asylum laws. According to democrats, we are required to give everyone who asks an asylum hearing. If that is true, that needs to be changed asap so we can cut down on this scam of massive caravans overwhelming our border and demanding entrance and free stuff.
     
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    In a dictatorship you have one person who has absolute control over all the other parts of government. So here we would have Trump armed with absolute immunity, a favorable judiciary and both houses of Congress in his back pocket. Congratulations you got the dictator you wanted. There is nothing and no one to stand in his way no matter what kind of lunacy the lunatic conjures up.
     
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    In my 20 years on this forum it seems that bipartisan is a dirty word. Over this time I have seen both sides become more divisive and antagonistic. Sure would be nice to see the left and right setting aside their often petty hypocritical squabbles to do the hard work required to maintain democracy, but it seems to me that both sides are moving towards authoritarianism and away from democracy. Had a member recently tell me of their dislike of the word bipartisanship which is sad as without it democracy dies. Pew or Gallup polled people on their views of the other side and the polling was depressing. It showed that roughly 40% on each side sees the other at a minimum as stupid and at worst evil. If that number continues to rise it will lead to more violence and I don’t see either side as taking corrective measures.

    While you and I may want a return to bipartisanship I don’t think many on this forum or in society are with us.
     
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    Well said.
     
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    Trump doesn't have absolute immunity... educate yourself on the SCOTUS ruling and get back to us...
     
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    Couldn't agree more. Majority on this forum are hyper-partisan to the point of not having any ability to be objective at all.
     
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    Thta is only correct if there is positive feedback in the system. On the other hand, you can have a dampened oscillation. Unfortunately, the media propaganda provides positive feedback to the system, so it is not unreasonable to assume that the oscillations eventually get out of control. That's why it is important to tone down the rhetoric.
     
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    I look at it this way. Republicans can't fix the mess Democrats made unless they have the means to do it (majorities in the House and Senate).

    If they have the means to do it, then it is on them to deliver results.

    As for your prediction, I don't know that the GOP even has the luxury of trying to move America to the Far Right. Republicans have more than enough on their plate trying to pull the country back from the Far Left where Democrats have taken it.
     
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    While I think the separation of powers have been weakened and that Trump will do all he can to pack the government with sycophants loyal to him, I trust in the framework of our Union to withstand Trump’s amoral nature. The number of those that want Trump to become a dictator is too small to have any chance of reshaping America. This may change in the future but currently I think Trump’s authoritarian nature will be contained. I hope I am right.
     
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    Amen.
     
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    I hope you are right. Thanks for the perspective.
     
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    Once the GOP (as expected) shitcans the Senate Filibuster, it will be open season..
     
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    Sure keep praying. Good luck.
     

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