Why I think Christine Ford is lying

So he lied. Yes, he's a great showman.

 

The credibility of women in general is going to diminish, behind this 'me too' fad, just as we are importing some of the most prolific sexual predators in the world from Africa and the middle east.

 

I await your evidence on vets and combat trauma but we are talking about sexual assault trauma

 

In a court of law, you are correct. In a job interview not so much but I can see why you keep pushing that particular narrative.

 

Let's face it, Democrat or Republican, women have always been called sluts and liars first, brave women standing up for truth second.

 

Lying is common with politicians and want to be politicians. The old saw about if a politician's mouth is moving he is lying, has been around for much of my life of 76 years.

Politicians get better at it, more skilled, if not already adept, by being lawyers, as time goes on. Trump's is overt and blatant, perhaps given his personality. But I do not hold him to a higher standard than your usual politician. That would be hypocrisy, IMO.

This is not an attempt at justifying trump lies. It is just pointing out what our reality is, and has been for such a long time. "I did not have sex with that woman!" or so said Pres. Clinton. Frankly, I thought it was no one's business if he did, and the fact that this was in the headlines for such a long time shows that we cover things that we have no business in even knowing about. Airing dirty laundry was one not something we had such a taste for. And MSM tried to stick to the issues, instead of peering into bedrooms, or oval offices serving as a bed room. I could not care less about this stuff, and it only makes things worse, not better, IMO. Just a matter of having good taste and lines that should not be crossed.

 

I don't know for a fact the Judge lied on anything. I have experience in this area, that of being a disciplinary committee member where we followed rules then decided on guilt. A lot of times my questions were to ensure justice over any tilted view. Stories are not always true. When i say member of committee, let me clarify. First I had to spend time on the committee over ethics. Next after training by legal people, I was allowed to be a member on the much more serious committee where we flat out disciplined members. That sobers a person up when you hold the keys to others fates.

 

I disagree

 

I have not researched it and am going my personal experience as well as the personal experience of a few vets I get together with on weekends to play poker and tell big fish stories. Oh, we might drink a few drinks too. ha ha. I don't think such trauma is different, from combat to sexual trauma. It affects the brain in a similar fashion. Barring any head injury of course. But these are just my opinions, but based upon experience of me and a few other vets. The caveat would be head trauma which can affect memory, due to a physical injury. IMO, if the memory is affected by a psychological trauma, then that person was a bit off in the head to begin with. Not operating fully.

 

If you marry a slut, those children could be by other men. Women do not have such a burden in marriage.

Sluts have one thing in common. They will lay with a lot more men than will good wives have laid with.

 

Me neither. Investigating his and Ford's veracity is the point of an investigation.

 

Thank you for confirming my point.

 

You're freedom to do, but many posters on this thread have slammed women for attacking powerful political men.

 

Focus on that

 

If the now sober and ostensibly upright citizen commits perjury by lying about it over 30 years later, of course.

If Brett Kavanaugh (aka "Bart O'Kavanaugh") drank to the point of passing out, as his classmate and friend Mark Judge related in his memoir "Wasted," he may well not recall what he did on such occasions when he was very, very inebriated. Such a state of extreme intoxication that Judge described comports with Ford's description of his condition when he assaulted her.

Of course Brett Kavanaugh (aka "Bart O'Kavanaugh") has a powerful incentive to "Deny! Deny! Deny!" - a lifetime appointment to the highest court in the land.

Christine Blasey Ford has no such powerful motivation. The ideologues who like to fantasize that she is not telling the truth as part of some mysterious hyper-partisan conspiracy, when she has never evidenced any such nefarious agenda, must ask themselves why she would want to see Brett Kavanaugh (aka "Bart O'Kavanaugh") dumped and a likely more conservative alternative (Amy Coney Barrett?) replace him. Such a move by the GOP would clearly ameliorate their electoral repugnance for women.

Could Christine Blasey Ford be a secret agent deployed by Amy Coney Barrett and her right-wing supporters?

 

Underage drinking is not a federal crime

If it were they would have to release all the drug dealers to make room for American children

 

Did you mean that as a joke? She did not attend a Trump speech. So, she should be impeached? That's a good one.

What the hell does that have to do with Kavanaugh's tirade?

Wheee!

 

You missed this.

In his book, Mark Judge describes one of his acquaintances at the time, someone named “Bart O’Kavanaugh,” who vomited in a car after a party.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ged-kavanaugh-assault/?utm_term=.0d1d8c0021f7

Judge's book is entitled "Wasted: Tales of a Gen X Drunk." Judge is a recovering alcoholic.

In one passage of the book in a chapter titled "A Functioning Alcoholic," senior year students, including Judge, lamented the news that they would be spending Sundays during their senior year doing community service.

"'We have to do something,' I said. 'They can't get away with this our senior year.'
"'What are we going to do?' Shane said, laughing. 'Drink a hundred kegs and brag about it?'
"No one laughed. For a second, no one even spoke. 'It's brilliant,' I said."
Judge and his high school buddies went on to create a newspaper called the Heretic, a riff on their school newspaper the Saint. One of the main objectives of the paper, as laid out by Judge in the book, was to chronicle "the 100-keg quest and everything that happened on the way."
According to his book, Judge and his friends continued to publish and anonymously distribute the paper on campus, with a continued emphasis on the 100-keg quest in the pages. Judge wrote that by March of his senior year, the keg count was "into the mid-eighties."
In "Wasted," Judge also describes an exchange with a young woman at a party when talk arose of a friend who puked in a car.
"Do you know Bart O'Kavanaugh?"
"Yeah. He's around here somewhere."
"I heard he puked in someone's car the other night."
"Yeah. He passed out on his way back from a party."

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/22/politics/mark-judge-books-details-keg-quest/index.html

It is a relatively easy task to find out if there was a classmate of Judge's named Bart O'Kavanaugh along with his friend Brett Kavanaugh. That would be a remarkable coincidence.

 

[QUOTE="Sandy Shanks, post: 1069682881, member: 71623"What the hell does that have to do with Kavanaugh's tirade? [/QUOTE]
You're going with tirade? That says a lot. it also lets everything else you write easily to be easily dismissed.

 

The issue is not about Kavanaugh's guilt or innocence. The issue is, at his hearing on Thursday, Kavanaugh was unstable, belligerent, a source of false conspiracy theories, and extremely biased. He out outdid Trump being Trump.

Which, of course, is the real reason Trump's fans think he should be confirmed. The truth is, this emotional man should not be on the Supreme Court. Trump fans should know that, but they don't.

 

You're going with tirade? That says a lot. it also lets everything else you write easily to be easily dismissed.[/QUOTE]

A man has lost the argument as soon as he ignores the issue and criticizes the messenger.

 

If Brett Kavanaugh (aka "Bart O'Kavanaugh") were being accused of excessive underage drinking, even to the point of passing out as his friend Mark Judge described, if would be of no consequence.

Sexual assaults whilst extremely intoxicated over three decades ago might even be pardonable with contrition.

It is his lying about it now, with his obvious, compelling motivation to do so, that is of concern.

 

So now because he drank you think that means he just cant remember the sexual assault?

That certainly is making underage drinking a “consequence” for him

 

I dont recall that

But some have criticized the personal choices of drunken underage party girls

 

Looks like a good FBI question to verify the veracity of "Bart's" denials of blacking out.