Why in the World Did Black Men Vote for Trump?

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The big "however" here, is that immunity from prior infection is at least as good as vaccination (better NOT to get infected before vaccination though, since infection is far more likely to harm you). Therefore, it isn't actually fair to NOT consider prior infection to be equivalent to vaccination. So I would argue, both the people who were willing to get fired to avoid vaccination after prior infection, and those requiring vaccination even if prior infection could be proved, were being unreasonable.

 

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I don’t take them. I don’t want them slipping in the.mRNA shot. My wife had the flu last week, treated with ivermectin and Z-Pak and typical flu remedies. I had no symptoms, then fatigue. Apparently, I have a very strong immune system.

 

By that I meant conspiracy theory and ignorance.

 

Of course people can vote anyway they like and my theory as to why they chose as they did was economic, even though they regard him as a racist, they also had little incentive to vote for a woman of color.
Are there any thoughts beyond sarcasm?

 

Well my thoughts are they're probably right since he said that he didn't want his children going to school in a racial jungle and fought against desegregating School busing..... Oh wait... Do you know who that might have been?

Yes Trump is so racist that he has dated black women and had the lowest unemployment for blacks in history at the time.

You know blacks are just like anyone else and they are capable of independent thought.

 

And it seems some are incapable of independent thought no matter the race.
Biden had the lowest Black unemployment, despite Trump's lies.
Is this who you mean by dating a "Black woman"?

Biracial model Kara Young said Trump told her she got her smarts from her white father. Not racist at all.

 

Question; why do people think that mentioning they dated a black/Asian/Latino person one time means we’re supposed to just ignore everything else?

Do they think dating outside their race is special or unique or noteworthy in any way?

 

1. Do you have reliable data that Black men voted overwhelmingly for Trump? As far as I have read Black males voted far more for Harris than Trump.

2. Whether is the underlying motivation you presume more than a wild guess, which is even brazen if there is some truth in it bc you apply it on possibly millions of voters.

3. Even if I take your stand about the decision for a vote (or not voting as you can ask, why they didnt go to support her, if they stayed home) solely based on identity politics and from a left perspective, whats the benefit in the life of a Black Man, when Kamala Harris is voted in? I would argue that its overall of relevance, but the argument which is made by the left is the "role model" argument. She doesnt have their problems, she is mixed, if racism is as burning in America as the left tells us it is, she will have faced much less of it, she is married to a White Jewish man (which is for the whole anti-Semitic woke left the game over), she was a states attorney whose task within the system - if we believe the woke anti-racists narrative - makes a living out of putting Black men away into prison.

Again, I dont share the arguments of the woke left, but from their perspective she is absolutely horrible if you apply all their arguments and narratives on her.

4. If college education is a valid indicator for your argument, that Black men are doing way worse than Black women ("good" in which sense would to be asked, if I see a Claudine Gay in the congress hearing, I dont think she is neither "good" in an ethical sense nor "good" in an intellectual sense) is still to be argued, but lets take your statement as settled, then the fear to end up without any chances on the dating market could be an issue, if they have the feeling of being left behind by Black women, so yes, if you are right with all your random assumptions this could have been an issue, but I consider it as very unlikely, as Kamala Harris was as unpopular among all male voters as it could get.


What share of votes do you expect her to get from Black male voters? As far as I know Black men voted more for Harris than for Trump, she got less support than former candidates because she was a terribly weak candidate imo, serving as a weak vice president under a very weak Democratic president, who would have done propably worse than her in 2024.

 

At least you thought about it.

1. Most Black men voted for Harris. My contention was why would some vote for a racist and it was they believed they would benefit economically, which they judged was more important.

2. The general consensus among Blacks is Trump is a racist.

3. What would benefit Black men if they voted for Harris? Two things are empathy and willingness to listen, things Trump completely lacks. She proposed forgivable loans to entrepreneurs, creating more apprenticeships, legalizing weed and making them part of the industry, help with first time home loans...Trump's ideas were more along the lines of kicking out illegals that take "Black jobs" and saying he had the lowest Black unemployment rate (Biden did).

4. No "random" assumption, I had facts that Black men are not doing well. I think some Black men feel they have seen many women of color pass them by in their lives and they feel disinterested in giving another a boost.

Harris ran a strong race imo and some men didn't vote for because she is a biracial woman and the rest fell for the con man's lies and fear mongering (again). We are just starting to see what kind of incompetent, mean spirited mess he'll make.

 

This is worth reposting. Black men? How about some Black women?

 

I was not referring to the hard facts like "Black men earn less than Black women per year", if you researched the statistics thats hard facts. You are falling imo for a mistake in applying the statistics. You are using them to make stereotypes in your mind "the Black man is" ... then you apply them onto voting statistics and ask "Why do Black men vote for Trump?". In fact we are talking about a clear minority among Black men, which is way smaller than the share of economically successful men, still the ensemble is huge in absolute numbers. I am not making the argument, but its e.g. one possibility that economically successful Black men voted for Trump. As long as we dont know more, my thesis have the same value as yours.


Your approach on Trump is negative, your approach on Harris is positive and you lack the emotional distance to accept the bigger picture that a lot of people dont share your views. You judgement Trump's policy biased (on the other hand you expect Black men to accept every cheap campaign pledge as being true, Kamala made), so you cannot come to an obvious conclusion, that there are some Black men who benefit from Trump's politics economically. As in every other ethnicity there are voters who are stupid, voters who are intelligent, voters who do a lot of reasearch before giving their votes, voters who vote on a rather emotional base, others more rational (for the overall approach in life imo rational decisions may be better, but there can be emotional decisions which turn out better in the end than rational ones). You dont seem to realize, that you are talking about a very very small minority (Black male voters who felt uncompfotable being left behind by Black females and making the active decision to vote someone although they consider him to be racist) within a clear minority (Black male voters voting for Trump). Its even possible that in some swing states your point could have played an important role, but its outright ridiculous to focus on this small amount of people and make conclusions about Black men. Individually you are always making generalizations when you statistically analyze an ensemble of people, but here you are doing it it a really strange manner.


If I want to make these statistical generalizations, I will have to sum it up with "Black men voted for Harris!". Period. You dont know anything about the motivation of the 25% who voted for Trump. There are several assumptions you make (maybe they dont consider him as a racist, maybe they benefit from his politics economically, maybe there are other political factors like that they are not a fan of cannabis legalization as you take as a settled benefit for the Black community, etc.) you have no evidence for and come up with conclusions that are either belitteling these (within Black men untypical) voters in a sense that they are too childish and naive to see they made the wrong decisions or paint them as losers and dropouts of society who just wanna put Black women in their places. Maybe this feeling of entitlement for all the Black votes is an attitude that pissed some potential Harris voters (she herself didnt adress it, but the same tone you have here was they underlying message of an Obama adress) off?


Why didnt you adress Black women in a thread? If an obviously Democratic leaning male made an analysis about it, making assumptions that too many Black women are not capable to make a adult rational decision or they are just hungry for rich White men to date, would you consider it as an adequate manner to analyze that? I mean you are already talking about a clear minority, you could as well adress the 10% Black women who voted for Trump. I am not saying that some childish, infantile or hateful decisions cannot have played a role when it comes to very small shifts which can be important in swing states, but I think you lost the bigger picture and dont stick to the real informative and value and real statistical power of your information and statistics.



For me its easy, the 25% Black males and 10% Black females who voted for Trump are people with strong minds, a sharp intellects and high ethical values, thus not to manipulate by the MSM although they were especially targeted with the portrayal of Trump as a racist. What do you think of my approach?

 

Complaining about me being biased against Trump is too funny coming from you. Kamala made "cheap" campaign pledges. What does she have to offer Blacks? She's biracial and married to a Jew(?). As if the Donald has anything to offer Blacks. Tell me how specifically Blacks benefit from Trump's politics economically?

You are still having trouble understanding the premiss. Why would a Black man vote for someone they believed to be a racist? I tried to answer that question and you dance around it, refusing to consider it. The vast majority of Blacks consider him a racist and there was a woman of color who, by all evidence, had their best interests in mind, who the minority ignored. Why?

They have high ethical standards and sharp intellects is why they voted for Trump? A most ridiculous statement.

 

You dont seem to understand, that if "the majority" of Blacks think Trump is a racist, there is a minority of Blacks who think he isnt. And if the majority of Black men isnt doing good, there is a minority that can be doing very well economically and otherwise. So your whole statements are based on pure speculation and you dont seem to realize you are talking of a clear minority of Black men here.

Its basic logic. If there were 99% of Black men claiming they think Trump is a racis, nevertheless 99% of Black men voting for him, there was a huge overlap of both groups compellingly. If its 70% of Black men who think Trump is racist and 25% voting for Trump, your conclusion is just speculation, because the 25% of Black men who voted for Trump can be all from the 30% of the Black men who dont think Trump is a racist. So your conclusion that many Black men voted for Trump, although they considered him a racist is pure speculation. Same goes for the economic situation, you dont know anything about the economic background of the minority of the Black male Trump voters and as this was a minority its not the compelling conclusion that they must have voted against their interests, because its a minority which voted for him and its possible that these voters have a completely different economic background than you just assume because they are Black men. I am not saying that Black male Trump voters must be from the minority which is economically doing fine, but it could be possible.

You pretend to have mandatory conclusions about the Black male Trump voters which are in fact pure speculation. Of course I cannot answer questions which are based on false presumptions and this is false by basic logic.

And the next question I already answered in my comment as well, maybe this minority didnt think she had their best interests in mind, maybe they are even right, depending on their individual situation and priorities.
My own "conclusions" were the counterpart to yours if someone writes from a biased perspective in the sense that everyone else must vote for Trump. Its easy to slender other voters, when you think of your perspective as the only possible and everyone else coming to different conclusions must be stupid, evil or have other deficits.

 

But it sure seems to me that Biden and Trudeau deliberately shut down the USA and Canadian economies and we assume that Trump would have behaved very differently than Biden did.

If Trump had been President of the USA from 2020 - 2024 Trudeau could not have gotten away with what he did to Canadians.

 

Look at the trend
Trump’s share of Black voters rose slightly, driven largely by younger men


Trump was able to make slight inroads with Black voters nationally, who made up about 1 in 10 voters across the country.

Nationally, about 8 in 10 Black voters supported Harris. But, that was down from about 9 in 10 in the last presidential election who went for Biden.

Trump about doubled his share of young Black men – which helped him among key Democratic voting group. About 3 in 10 Black men under the age of 45 went for Trump, roughly double the number he got in 2020.

 

Pretty much. There’s a long history of men voting republican, women voting democratic. Since 1972, only three times have men voted for the democratic candidate, 1976 50-48 Carter over Ford, 1992, Bill Clinton over G.H.W. Bush 41-38 and 2008, Obama over McCain 49-48. Women have voted republican in 1972 Nixon over McGovern 61-37, then in 1980 Reagan over Carter 47-45, 1984 Reagan over Mondale 56-44 and in 1988 G.H.W. Bush over Dukakis 50-49. Women have voted democratic ever since.

Interesting is in two of the men voting democratic, there was a recession in both 1992 and 2008 and in 1980, the misery index when women voted republican. The economy was rosy in both 1984 and 1988, women continued to vote republican.

Men in general have an affinity for the republican party. Trump won white men 60-38 over Harris, won Hispanic men 54-44 while losing black men, he did okay to great considering the long history of blacks voting democratic among black men losing them 77-21 to Harris.

https://www.cnn.com/election/2024/exit-polls/national-results/general/president/0

Why? As James Carville once said, ‘It’s the economy, stupid.” Biden was deemed a failure with his handling of the economy leading to 48% of all Americans feeling they had it better under Trump in his first term vs. 34% who said they had it better off today or as of last year’s election. The economy, inflation, rising prices transcends race and gender as seen in the results of last year.

 

Democrats are losing voters from every dem graphic and the trend will continue as democrats continue to support failed policies most of the country opposes. Its always about the economy and as Trump cuts waste taxes and regulations to help the economy democrats fight him at every point. They are digging their own grave

 

I’d forget the partisan propaganda and look at how all Americans are viewing Trump’s handling of the economy and inflation so far. The economy 43% of all Americans approve, 53% disapprove.

https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/donald-trump/issues/economy

Inflation, 40% of all Americans approve, 59% disapprove.

https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/donald-trump/issues/inflation

Of course, these numbers are dynamic and will change over time. Perhaps improving, perhaps dropping. It’s true, Trump has better numbers on these two issues than Biden did, by 4-5 points. But the fact remains, most Americans, a majority disapprove of the job Trump has done so far.

https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/joe-biden/issues/economy

https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/joe-biden/issues/inflation

As for party strength, Gallup lists both major parties at 28% of the electorate with independents, the non-affiliated, less to non-partisan group at 43%. Independents are the only growing faction rising from 30% in 2006 up to today’s 43% while both major parties have shrunk.

 

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The US trade deficit in April 2025 decreased significantly, narrowing to $61.6 billion, a decline of $76.7 billion from the revised $138.3 billion deficit in March.

 

Okay, the trade deficit declined. Good. But that doesn’t take away from how all Americans are viewing how Trump is handling the economy and inflation/rising prices. It is my opinion that Trump was way too busy with his million and one EO’s placating and pleasing his base that he forgot about the economy and inflation. Granted, inflation has dropped from 3% down to 2.3% during his presidency so far. But that drop had nothing to do with anything Trump has done. I call it normal fluctuation.


I think Trump is making the same mistake he made during his first term and the same mistake Biden made during his presidency, that is governing only for his base. Not for all of America. In today’s modern political era of polarization, the great divide, the super, mega, ultra-high partisanship, I don’t think any president can govern for all of America anymore. Not in our two-party system where each major parties base won’t let a president do that.

 

Democrats have no base left unless you count criminals and illegals.

 

Republicans want higher prices and lower wages, like mixing oil and water

 

If one counts only the base of both parties, they are Republicans 28%, Democrats 28%, independents 43%. Now if one throws in independents which lean towards one party or the other, it’s 46% republican base plus independents who lean republican, 45% democratic base plus independents who lean democratic.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/655157/gop-holds-edge-party-affiliation-third-straight-year.aspx

Last years election results basically show the same, Trump won 49.8% to Harris 48.3% with 1.9% voting third party. The 1.5-point difference is consistent with the 1-point difference in party affiliation counting independent leaners or both party’s base being even. Throw in the fact the republican party lost 2 house seats last year, that shows how even both major parties’ strength is.

You can go with facts, numbers or stay with partisan rhetorical political propaganda. Your choice.