Why nobody can trust pro abortion folks!

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  1. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    Yet all of humanity has done it in wars throughout history
     
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    What part of
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    Not even the UVVA :) :)"""

    confused you?
     
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    It would depend on the situation. Is your neighbor holding a gun to your head or to the head of another person?

    The problem here is you define a fetus as something with rights....but have failed to explain why a fetus should have rights.
     
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    All one has to do is read the UVVA to see that you are completely incorrect!!!!

    Have you tried that?

     
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    Of course they do! Every human being begins at conception.
     
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    So a woman has sexual intercourse, the natural consequence of that happens snd she gets pregnant. In your mind the mere existence of that child is the equivalent if your neighbor holding a gun to your head for the mother?

    Why does federal law recognize those rights?
    why are so many state fetal homicide laws recognizing them?

    Why should someone’s age strip them of their basic right to life?
     
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    Can’t answer the question?

     
  9. Nwolfe35

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    What makes it a human being at conception?
     
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    Who said it was equivalent?

    You asked if you should be allowed to kill your neighbor, I said in certain situations you would be allowed to kill your neighbor. I wasn't trying to equate the situations, I was merely pointing out that there are situations that would allow it.

    Their age should not strip them of their basic right to life. The "aging" process begins at birth, not at conception. You don't add nine months to your age when determining how old you are.

    Even I believe there should be limitations on abortion after viability.
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    The UVVA does NOT recognize the fetus as having rights....



    Were you looking in a mirror when you said that?

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    NO, the UVVA did not and CANNOT grant personhood to a fetus....

    You just said NOBODY grants personhood yet you insist the UVVA CAN! ....your frustration has you confused :roflol::roflol::roflol:


    LOL, no , the UVVA is NOT "recognizing" a fetus as a person which would be the same as granting it personhood.....I know that's subtle and so you will never get it but then you don't want to face the fact that a fetus is not a person.


    FoxHastings said:
    NO, the UVVA did not and CANNOT grant personhood to a fetus....

    You just said NOBODY grants personhood yet you insist the UVVA CAN! ....your frustration has you confused :roflol::roflol::roflol:


    LOL, no , the UVVA is NOT "recognizing" a fetus as a person which would be the same as granting it personhood.....I know that's subtle and so you will never get it but then you don't want to face the fact that a fetus is not a person.


    Yup, now it's your turn.
     
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    Why should I? Duh, see post 160
     
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    Read a human biology textbook!
     
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    I never said a fetus should have rights.
    I say a human fetus should have rights. Why? For the same reason a human being at any other stage of life should have rights!
     
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    Why do you think the aging process begins at birth? What do you base this erroneous notion on?

    Viability meaning what? Able to live without assistance? A toddler can’t do that!
     
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    I have, which is why I say a fetus is not a human being. It has no brain, it has no heart, no circulatory system, no lungs.

    A biology textbook tells you all of those things.

    What are you seeing in that textbook that tells you the fetus is a human being.
     
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    Viability means to be able to live outside of the womb.

    My age is 60, meaning I was born 60 years ago....I was CONCIEVED almost 61 years ago...but that is not my age.
     
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    [ah but that is only you backing into a definition of human being that justifies your support of abortion homicide. In actual truth, every human being lives at this stage. The only way you can claim a human fetus is not a human being is to invent a new definition of human being!
     
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    Read again carefully. An infant cannot survive outside the womb without the intervention of another human being!
     
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    You are correct BUT that is not the what is meant here by viability...


    Viability in this case means a fetus is CAPABLE of living on it's own , UNATTACHED to the woman it was in, and without artificial means..
     
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    Nope.
    If someone is “brain dead” with no hope of recovery or is perfectly legal to “pull the plug” and let them die. That is no different than a pre viable fetus.
     
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    Not quite true. A pre viable fetus is incapable of surviving outside of the womb even with “artificial means”
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    You are correct BUT that is not the what is meant here by viability...


    Viability in this case means a fetus is CAPABLE of living on it's own , UNATTACHED to the woman it was in, and without artificial means..




    My post is true. Of course it won't survive (on it's own) BEFORE viability.
     
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    “Here”?
    Just more evidence of redefining terms to back into a position!
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    You are correct BUT that is not the what is meant here by viability...


    Viability in this case means a fetus is CAPABLE of living on it's own , UNATTACHED to the woman it was in, and without artificial means..


    Just more science denial...
     

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