Why not mandate trigger locks and locked gun cases?

Then name the best available self defense tool in existence.

Yet again another citation of the blatantly false work of Arthur Kellerman. Stop now, and do not go further.

 

The dispatcher told George Zimmeran that they did not need him to follow Trayvon Martin. That is in no way even related to being told to not engage in a specific behavior.

Beyond that, the phone records of Travyon Martin proved in court that he successfully returned home, and then decided to go back out and track down George Zimmerman.

 

Why is it "necessary" to know who the legal owner of the firearm was? What beneficial purpose does such knowledge have overall? What ultimate, meaningful difference will such make with regard to what happened?

 

Under the logic being presented by yourself, a woman who is sexually assaulted is just as guilty as the individual that performed the assault to begin with.

 

It is all about perspective, and which degree of scope is utilized in attaining that perspective.

 

I get it...you don’t like kids.

 

So you simply want to keep children safe? Why not lock them is a fireproof, escape proof cage inside a mountain cave so NOTHING can get at them.

I have 6 children and 16 grand children. Why are we not afraid of life, and you are? I fear dying, you fear living. And again and again, you want to save children's lives, join the anti infanticide groups. There you CAN make a difference.

 

The only reason is to make it easier to confiscate guns, should they ever be banned. The first step towards a total gun ban is gun registration.

 

the answer to the OP is many oppose any limits on guns at all, even those that do not prohibit gun ownership.

 

So keeping bleach out of reach of my kids makes me ‘fear living’? Holy extremism.
In regards to guns and chemicals we made sure our kids couldn’t get at them when they were little. Guess we were funny that way.
Playing sports, climbing trees, playing in the woods, swimming, skateboarding, riding bikes, hiking, shooting...our kids did all those things and more. So please save your ignorant assumptions to yourself.

 

How about you take care of it yourself, and teach the kids not to drink bleach? Yes, my kids got spanking. Rather have them spanked, than dead in the road. I taught my kids guns, and my daughter took out a would be robber.

 

I taught my kids to THINK, the same way my father and mother taught us to THINK. We didn't have Ritalin, we had spankatin. My parent had 4 children and 17 grand children, all basically raised the same way. NONE DIED! I have 6 children, 16 grandchildren, and none died. And nobody killed anyone either (except my daughter who killed an armed robber).
Like I said, I am afraid to die, you are afraid to live.

 

And for his great work, IF THAT WERE THE TRUTH, Trayvon earned the "Darwin" award. He apparently didn't have parents who taught him to think!

I think it is poetically funny. Since she killed him, he has become a model citizen. He had 4 felony conviction and was out on bond for a 5th one. Since that day, he never committed a single crime.

 

Do you know what a "right" is, and what a "privilege" is?

 

Silly people, thinking the constitution actually means what it says.

 

So again, because I kept my guns and chemical out of reach of my kids that makes me afraid to live? That is beyond illogical.

 

True. My mistake. I did not mean 'stolen gun'. Naturally the owner wouldn't be held responsible for that.

 

If I'm a neglectful gun owner and I leave my gun where my 17 year old son can take it and kill someone with it, how is my being equally responsible for the shooting be compared to a woman wanting to be raped?

 

It is not a matter of "liking" or "disliking" anyone or anything. It is simply about the overall perspective of what is being discussed, and how it applies to the larger, more incorporative scope of things overall. The number of minors who die as a result of negligent firearms discharge on the part of parents may seem tragic to some, but when compared to the number of minors who die in mundane, everyday household accidents, it is immediately apparent that there are things far more dangerous and deadly than firearms to be concerned about.

The united states, like most other countries in the world, has finite resources at its disposal, and must go about determining how to best utilize these resources for the best outcome. When the matter pertains to saving lives, it is not about what cause has the most hype or the most media attention, it is about what problem is the most severe in overall numbers, and the most in need of intervention.

It may be objected to by yourself, and countless others that the matter ultimately boils down to a numbers game. But ultimately that is simply what it is. How does one go about helping the most with what resources are on hand?

 

The above question operates on the assumption that it is simply not possible for a seventeen year old individual to gain access to a safe that utilizes a simple keyed lock, no different than the front and back door of their own residence, and whatever motor vehicle they may be permitted to operate. The premise is heavily flawed, to say nothing of faulty. Unless there is only one copy in existence of the key utilized to get into the safe, and it is kept on your person at absolutely all times of the day, without exception, access to the locked safe both can and will be had at any time if the seventeen year old wishes to do such. Simply because that access is not known about to yourself does not change the fact that it can and does happen.

Moreover, let us examine the matter logically. Was it known by yourself that your hypothetical, seventeen year old son was particularly violent, and prone to acting out in an aggressive manner, or suffered from poor impulse control? Was prior knowledge possessed by yourself that your hypothetical son was unable to refraining from engaging in dangerous and illegal activity that posed a significant risk to the well being of either himself or others? Was it known by yourself or others that he planned on engaging in murder?

If not, then under what standard could any responsibility be applied to yourself with regard to unsecured firearms being stored in the house?

 

Why are you talking about a lock with keys? There are gun safes with combination locks and probably even some that might require thumb prints, I don't know. If I'm not capable of securing my gun/guns in such a manner that they can't be gotten to by any one short of being taken by a thief then I should reconsider whether or not I'm responsible enough to own a gun. I know it sounds harsh but the average gun owner is too casual about their responsibilities and that is a flaw that can be fixed. Let an individual own what ever kind of gun he wants to own but make him responsible for how that gun is used. If he can't handle the responsibility he should either not own a gun or pay the consequences if it's involved in a shooting.

 

You didn't read all of the thread. I said there should be a law that every gun should be registered and any gun used in a killing the owner of the gun, if different than the shooter, should be held equally responsible for the crime. That would force more responsibility on the gun 'owner' to keep his gun out of the hands of other people, including family members. If a person can't assume that responsibility they have no business owning a gun.