Why not mandate trigger locks and locked gun cases?

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  1. ButterBalls

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    So in your best estimate, when are the outraged Leftist going to demand that inner city Ghetto's and thugs be disarmed of their illegal possessed firearms and the senseless gun murders of men, women and children be addressed? These are current and well defined laws being broken by illegals, convicted felons, illegal drug/gun dealers and children as young as 10 in possession of firearms..

    Is it time yet? Or is this not as concerning as suburban school children?
     
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    Does your computer shoot bullets?
     
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    The difference is you didn't read the post where I said I made a mistake in reference to the gun being stolen.
     
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    Ahh so you believe a drunk crawling on the floor is incapable of reaching and discharging a firearm, you are so naïve it's actually a concern!
     
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    Yes, digital ones, and swords, and laser beams too! I was once killed by a SS officer and then eaten by his pet boar in uniform!
     
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    Then again, it wasn't just the one time either :(
     
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    Fair enough, but you did say that you wish to hold parents accountable if say a 15 year old teen steals the family car.

    What are we honestly and reasonably expecting people to do? Teens steals their parents cars all the time. I took my Dad's truck around the block quite a few times while he was at work. It's a teen thing, it happens every single day in this country.

    We supposed to mandate that all vehicle keys are secured in a locked safe while in the home? It is a statistical and logical fact that teens steal their parents car keys WAY MORE OFTEN than they steal their parents guns. So where is the proposal being put forth to mandate that all keys be locked in safes in the home?

    That proposal isn't being put forth because it's ridiculous and we all know that because nobody does that and nobody wants to do that.

    There is a reason why if the cops pull over your 15 year old who stole your car keys they don't go to your house and arrest you, because that would be dumb.
     
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    You cannot show this to be true.
    It doesn't matter who wants it - a legal requirement to secure your guns violates the constitution.
     
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    It also violates the US constitution.
     
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    Said no rational, thinking person, ever.
     
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    You cannot prove any of this.
     
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    I apologize for any confusion I may have caused. This started off a conversation about guns and my suggestion was to make it a law that all guns must be registered and that the registered owner of the gun would be held as responsible as the shooter if his gun was used in a killing. If in all the banter back and forth I indicated the father would be responsible if his 15 year old took the car I didn't mean that. However, if his 15 year old son took his gun he would be responsible. I did mean that.
     
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    Go ahead and post your proof.

    Before you start, if the data doesnt take into account dgus it's not worth the paper its printed on.
     
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    That's based on a flawed study, that included "acquaintances" as friends and family.
     
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    My argument still stands though. We have to be honest with ourselves here. Look at the Texas incident, the firearms were secured in a safe, they teen stole the keys and opened it and took the firearms out.

    Honestly, what more can we reasonably expect people to do to secure something beyond a safe behind a lock? I bolded reasonably on purpose.

    How can we be honest and rational and blame the hold the father responsible for that? What more was the father supposed to do to reasonably secure firearms within the home?

    Is the argument seriously that if you choose to have firearms in the home, regardless of whatever security measures you have in the home, if your firearms are stolen from your possession then YOU are held accountable for that?

    That is 100% unreasonable which is exactly why there is no law anywhere that states something like that in regards to personal possessions whether they be firearms or bleach.
     
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    I agree with your response. It also holds true for parents of teenagers to secure the liquor cabinet and lock those keys in a safe too. Before you know it you'll need a safe for the keys to the safe that you've secured the keys. Hmmm, don't forget to lock up the Extract of Vanilla and cooking wine.
     
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    Yea I can but not only would you not care...facts mean nothing to you
     
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    The Constitution says nothing about trigger locks
     
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    Securing the keys to the safe is as important as securing the weapons themselves. Incidentally this "responsible gun owner" had an illegal sawed off shotgun so...
     
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    No. You can't.
    Speaking of facts not mattering to you...
    Tell us again how The Second Amendment does NOT protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, OR to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home
     
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    My statement stands.

    The handgun ban and the trigger-lock requirement (as applied to self-defense) violate the Second Amendment . The District’s total ban on handgun possession in the home amounts to a prohibition on an entire class of “arms” that Americans overwhelmingly choose for the lawful purpose of self-defense. Under any of the standards of scrutiny the Court has applied to enumerated constitutional rights, this prohibition—in the place where the importance of the lawful defense of self, family, and property is most acute—would fail constitutional muster. Similarly, the requirement that any lawful firearm in the home be disassembled or bound by a trigger lock makes it impossible for citizens to use arms for the core lawful purpose of self-defense and is hence unconstitutional.
     
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    Any legal requirement to secure your firearms violates the constitution.
     
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    I think that is happening as we speak. It's part of regular police operations. It would be a LOT easier if there weren't any legal guns around to cloud the issue
     
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    This isn't going to change.
     
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    What is your point exactly?
     

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