Why was the 2009 pandemic not taken ANYWHERE NEAR as seriously as COVID-19?

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  1. Josephwalker

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    SK geared up for the next pandemic after the last one something then president Obama didn’t do.
     
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    Trump misquotes and inaccurate paraphrasing is abundant from the left.
     
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    How sad. Direct quotes are dismissed in favor spinning afterwards.
     
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    That isn't true. Obama set up an office for such things. Trump dismantled it.
     
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    We could have used a little more panic. If we had, and people would have stayed home, we could be through the thick of it already. Instead, people were made believe it is just like the cold, or there are miracle cures, so they still don't take it seriously, and we'll have a much longer shutdown period.

    Second, he wasn't downplaying it to reduce panic, he was downplaying it so it wouldn't interfere with his "reelection success".

    With that said, I think he FINALLY got the message into his thick head that this is very serious and won't go away like magic. It took a little long. you'd expect your CIC to be a little faster on the uptake.
     
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    I provided an opinion about things as i see them. Opinions cannot be wrong. They are just opinions. I understand you don't agree with my opinion. I woulnd't have expected you to.
     
  7. chris155au

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    My other comments are the same as your answer.
     
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    Yes, the useless Adam SCHIFFty made a literal ARTFORM of it when reciting his version of Trump's phone call with Zelensky! :roflol:
     
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    There's certainly that. But also we haven't seen a disease anywhere near as communicable as the corona in 102 years. It's a totally different war but people do what people always tend to do, which is prepare for it and try to fight it like the last war.

    Like Deacon Otis says, don't let the corona get on ya.
     
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    because Trump is a narcissist and people that work for him fear him getting triggered if they do something he doesn't like, so they do nothing

    most of us have had or seen bosses like that, it's why his businesses went bk

    it's why his experts have to praise him daily
     
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    Because the media didn’t need to use it as a talking point against Obama.
     
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    Set up an office? LOL
    SK actually prepared for the next pandemic and had personnel land material ready to go
     
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    Because that killed only 12,000 people after infecting 60 million people. Because covid is a lot more infectious, it could infect a lot more people, maybe up to 200 million people. With a death rate of .5 - 1%, it could kill hundreds of thousands to a million people. In fact Trump is estimating that even with our extraordinary measures, covid could kill 200,000, and of course it could be a lot more than what he is saying. But of course we can ask what will be the economic consequences of quarantine and social distancing.

    Are you really suggesting we should have locked down the economy during the 2009 financial crisis over something that was less harmful than the common flu?
     
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    There is one BIG difference between this pandemic and the one in 2009.

    Trump has spent three years denigrating science, medical experts, and our government agencies. Why then would his supporters be surprised that many people had no confidence in our government and government agencies to
    handle this pandemic.

    People didn't panic in 2009 because they had more trust in government agencies and science and medicine to handle the crisis. Trump has prided himself in eroding that trust for years in a play to his base. Well, now his management has come home to bite us all in the ass ... and the economy is in the crapper because of it. Hello to the Trump Recession of 2020.
     
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    Then why was a coronavirus taskforce even formed?
     
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    So if Trump was the President in 09 during swine flu, people would have been told to wash their hands and practice social distancing? Surely you can't be serious! :roflol:
     
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    2009 H1N1 was first detected in the United States in mid April 2009.
    April 18, 2009, under the International Health Regulations (IHR) the United States International Health Regulations Program reported the 2009 H1N1 influenza cases to the World Health Organization (WHO).
    By April 21, 2009, CDC had begun working to develop a virus that could be used to make vaccine to protect against this new virus (called a candidate vaccine virus)
    CDC activated its Emergency Operations Center (EOC) on April 22, 2009,

    On April 24, 2009, CDC uploaded complete gene sequences of the 2009 H1N1 virus to a publicly-accessible international influenza database
    On April 26, 2009, the United States Government determined that a public health emergency existed nationwide; CDC’s Strategic National Stockpile (SNS) began releasing 25% of the supplies in the stockpile that could be used to protect and treat influenza. This included 11 million regimens of antiviral drugs, and personal protective equipment including over 39 million respiratory protection devices (masks and respirators), gowns, gloves and face shields, to states (allocations were based on each state’s population).
    As part of the nation’s pre-pandemic planning efforts, by April 2009 the Federal Government had purchased 50 million treatment courses of antiviral drugs – oseltamivir and zanamivir – for the SNS, and states had purchased 23 million antiviral regimens. After the determination of the public health emergency, FDA also took action to expand possible usage of antiviral drugs oseltamivir and zanamivir by issuing Emergency Use Authorizations (EUAs).
    April 30, 2009, HHS announced that the Federal government would purchase an additional 13 million treatment courses of antiviral drugs to help fight influenza[​IMG]. The additional treatment courses would be added to the SNS.
    The real-time PCR test developed by CDC was cleared for use by diagnostic laboratories by FDA
    By May 18, 2009, 40 states had been validated to conduct their own 2009 H1N1 testing
    People with other previously recognized medical conditions that placed them at high risk of complications from seasonal influenza also appeared to be at increased risk of complications from 2009 H1N1 influenza. In this report, seventy-one percent (71%) of hospitalized patients had one or more underlying chronic medical conditions. Reported deaths had occurred in people ranging in age from 22 months old to 57 years old. Also, only 13% of hospitalizations had occurred in people 50 years and older, and there were few cases and no deaths in people older than 65 years, which was unusual when compared with seasonal flu.
    Starting in early June 2009, weekly calls were held to provide state and local planners with vaccine-related updates, and on July 8, 2009, CDC issued guidance for state and local public health departments to assist them in planning for the 2009 H1N1 influenza vaccination campaign.
    On July 23, 2009, FDA’s Vaccines and Related Biological Advisory Committee[​IMG] indicated support of FDA’s proposed plan to license monovalent 2009 H1N1 vaccines via a “strain change” pathway, similar to how seasonal influenza vaccines are licensed. This meant the 2009 H1N1 vaccine would be made in the same way using the same standards already in place for seasonal vaccines; it also allowed licensure to proceed more quickly since it did not require immunogenicity data or additional safety (except for the live attenuated vaccine) data for licensure.
    By the end of August 2009, prototype vaccines to prevent 2009 H1N1 virus had been developed but were not yet licensed. Production of the enormous quantities of vaccine necessary to protect the entire U.S. population was underway. CDC expanded its contract for the childhood Vaccine for Children program in the United State
    On September 3, 2009, CDC published in the MMWR a study that had analyzed data related to 2009 H1N1 influenza pediatric deaths reported to CDC from April to August, 2009. Data showed that as of August 8, 2009, 477 deaths with laboratory confirmed 2009 H1N1 flu in the United States had been reported to CDC
    On September 15, 2009, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) announced its approval of four 2009 H1N1 influenza vaccines[​IMG], and later, on November 16, FDA announced its approval of a fifth 2009 H1N1 vaccine[​IMG] to protect against the 2009 H1N1 flu virus.
    The NIH announced on September 21, 2009, that early results from clinical trials[​IMG] of 2009 H1N1 influenza vaccine in children looked promising.
    On September 30, 2009, states were able to place their first orders for the 2009 H1N1 vaccine; forty-seven states placed orders on that day, and by October 9, 2009, all states and the District of Columbia had placed orders for vaccine. The first doses were administered on October 5, 2009.

    https://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/cdcresponse.htm

    4/27 2 weeks from discovery.

    I can't find one of Trump but I did find this with dates.
     
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    TDS has added complications to the Chiner flu! :wierdface:
     
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    And all of the above is supposed to prove that if Trump was the President in 09 during swine flu, people would have been told to wash their hands and practice social distancing?
     
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    Did he say that these 15 are the only ones affected in the country? He was talking about the ORIGINAL 15, given that he said "the ORIGINAL 15!" Did you miss that part? Or are you just being highly dishonest?

    At what point in the video does he mention "hoax?" You could have provided many examples of him talking about "hoax", but even then I would've destroyed your argument by the simple FACT that Trump was referring to the Democratic RESPONSE as a "hoax", not the virus itself. Nice try! I don't expect to hear back from you! :roflol:
     
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    The difference is that that swine flu killed on average 40 year olds! AKA, a massive chunk of the economy's workforce! Just imagine if THAT one got out of control!

    Well 1% means that it could be up to 3 million, right?

    At no point in my OP did I mention shutting down the economy in 09. I simply mentioned that it was strange that not even basic prevention methods were promoted, such as hand washing and social distancing.
     
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    Well it would never be the media that would start the promoting of prevention methods. Don't get me wrong, the majority of the media are obviously an arm of the Demoratic party, but I really don't know how you're linking prevention methods with media talking points.
     
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    Wasn't washing hands and social distancing promoted long before any of this?

    Which had precisely ZERO impact, other than given the left wing media something to talk about.
     
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